freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
The resurrection..........
The resurrection..........
Hi Nihilo,
Indeed,...I do not find the term 'fictional' or 'non-fictional' as being appropriate to apply to the 'Resurrection', so my former comments with you on this holds. As shared,....you cannot even prove or really ascertain some things written about in the 'scriptures' as being 'true' or 'not', or how much they are actual historical events or embellished mythologies, or some blend thereof. There is plenty of metaphor and symbology in religious writings, much is 'figurative',...and the meanings and values you as a 'religionist' must search for and discover are the spiritual truths, eternal principles and ideals hidden within the narrative. All reality-perception and knowledge is at last 'subjective' anyways, no matter how 'objective' the descriptions are, and no matter....the kingdom of Spirit is always within, reflected or realized in one's own consciousness, apart from which there can be nothing...not even 'God'. Consciousness is the only fundamental and universal reality, the substrate in which all things arise to be perceived, known or discovered. All that exists, exists in the universal Consciousness and Spirit-Radiance that 'God' IS. 'God' is SPIRIT.
'Resurrection', besides the mere religious/intellectual concept or assumption, if we take it as an actual experience, is to be realized personally within the subjectivity of one's own awareness, the experience of dying, then rising again, being 'born anew', TRANS-FORMED. This happens whole-bodily,...to the whole being. The spiritual process of transformation of consciousness is not something you can just label 'fictional' or 'non-fictional', since the subconscious mind does not know the difference between such really, but reflects back to itself that which the surface mind superimposes upon it (imagines into it), and takes that 'view' as being 'true'. You cannot prove the resurrection even took place, and only choose to believe the religious records or 'STORIES' some people recorded, then 'canonized'. Jesus came to show that we too must FOLLOW HIM, in the process of birth, death and rebirth, undergoing the process of spirit transformation, as the mortal puts on immortality, and one is born again in the divine nature, never to see death again, but to have life into the ages,...and as long as one chooses to do His will,....live into the ages of ages
ALSO: I don't believe I've added yet to this thread or topic, but caught wind of it by your 'mention' of me. In general I agree with meshak, as highlighting the clear teachings of Jesus, and disagree with the some of the wrathful, blood-thirsty and cruel depictions of Yahweh in the OT, who appears as a 'war-lord' sometimes ( a mighty man of war), although that aspect of divine justice or severity can be symbolized in certain stories. It was the glaring difference of the warlord 'god' of the OT with the loving compassionate God and Father of Jesus, that led some groups to reject YHWH as the one true God, and de-rank him as an demi-urge, while worshipping ONLY the 'God' and 'Father' of our Lord Jesus, who is also our 'God' and 'Father',...since there is only one Universal Father of one and all. The Most High One, besides whom there is no other. - all other living beings are His offspring, since He is the Sole One Original SOURCE of all that is, the Infinite SPRING from whence all rises.
The resurrection..........
Not that I know of. And the phenomenon may just be with online-active non-Trins, maybe IRL JWs aren't like that at all---although, I have to say that the JW website explains the Resurrection---while not technically distinctly from the Catholic teaching, except that they rather extremely mention that the Lord rose in a quote-unquote spiritual body, which He did . . . but the JW-dot-org website was so careful to point out that His risen body was different from the body He died as, that it almost seems to be giving space to those who don't want to believe that He rose nonfictionally.
If you can believe it, [MENTION=1746]freelight[/MENTION] actually balked at my usage of the words nonfiction and fiction, saying they were somehow ambiguous terms, even when used explicitly mutually exclusively.
Hi Nihilo,
Indeed,...I do not find the term 'fictional' or 'non-fictional' as being appropriate to apply to the 'Resurrection', so my former comments with you on this holds. As shared,....you cannot even prove or really ascertain some things written about in the 'scriptures' as being 'true' or 'not', or how much they are actual historical events or embellished mythologies, or some blend thereof. There is plenty of metaphor and symbology in religious writings, much is 'figurative',...and the meanings and values you as a 'religionist' must search for and discover are the spiritual truths, eternal principles and ideals hidden within the narrative. All reality-perception and knowledge is at last 'subjective' anyways, no matter how 'objective' the descriptions are, and no matter....the kingdom of Spirit is always within, reflected or realized in one's own consciousness, apart from which there can be nothing...not even 'God'. Consciousness is the only fundamental and universal reality, the substrate in which all things arise to be perceived, known or discovered. All that exists, exists in the universal Consciousness and Spirit-Radiance that 'God' IS. 'God' is SPIRIT.
'Resurrection', besides the mere religious/intellectual concept or assumption, if we take it as an actual experience, is to be realized personally within the subjectivity of one's own awareness, the experience of dying, then rising again, being 'born anew', TRANS-FORMED. This happens whole-bodily,...to the whole being. The spiritual process of transformation of consciousness is not something you can just label 'fictional' or 'non-fictional', since the subconscious mind does not know the difference between such really, but reflects back to itself that which the surface mind superimposes upon it (imagines into it), and takes that 'view' as being 'true'. You cannot prove the resurrection even took place, and only choose to believe the religious records or 'STORIES' some people recorded, then 'canonized'. Jesus came to show that we too must FOLLOW HIM, in the process of birth, death and rebirth, undergoing the process of spirit transformation, as the mortal puts on immortality, and one is born again in the divine nature, never to see death again, but to have life into the ages,...and as long as one chooses to do His will,....live into the ages of ages
ALSO: I don't believe I've added yet to this thread or topic, but caught wind of it by your 'mention' of me. In general I agree with meshak, as highlighting the clear teachings of Jesus, and disagree with the some of the wrathful, blood-thirsty and cruel depictions of Yahweh in the OT, who appears as a 'war-lord' sometimes ( a mighty man of war), although that aspect of divine justice or severity can be symbolized in certain stories. It was the glaring difference of the warlord 'god' of the OT with the loving compassionate God and Father of Jesus, that led some groups to reject YHWH as the one true God, and de-rank him as an demi-urge, while worshipping ONLY the 'God' and 'Father' of our Lord Jesus, who is also our 'God' and 'Father',...since there is only one Universal Father of one and all. The Most High One, besides whom there is no other. - all other living beings are His offspring, since He is the Sole One Original SOURCE of all that is, the Infinite SPRING from whence all rises.
