pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
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Apparently Meshak thinks a sword is for ploughing fields, and not for killing.
:rotfl:
Red herring.
Meshak, WHY DO YOU REJECT CHRIST'S WORDS!
And He said to them, [JESUS]“When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”[/JESUS] So they said, “Nothing.”Then He said to them, [JESUS]“But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”[/JESUS]So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, [JESUS]“It is enough.”[/JESUS] - Luke 22:35-38 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke22:35-38&version=NKJV
drbrumley
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Apparently
I don't know, but Jesus did not let them use for harming anyone.
It is obvious you are not reading NT carefully.
No wonder you are a trinity believer.
scarecrow argument.
that's what happens to Christians who follow man-made doctrines.
How many times do I have to tell you that Jesus did not mean for killing people? You have no evidence for your warped up reading.
That's right, you DON'T know.
Because you're so caught up in your own beliefs.
Now you're moving the goalposts.
You had said Jesus' followers shouldn't carry weapons.
I showed you to be wrong, and now you're backpedaling, first saying that they're not for killing, and now saying that Jesus didn't let them use them to harm anyone, when one of Jesus' disciples cut off a soldier's ear!
You're twisting yourself into knots trying to evade what JESUS said.
STOP RESISTING JESUS' WORDS!
No, Meshak, you're not getting out of this that easily.
Why do you reject Jesus' words?!
drbrumley
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JR isn't implying that at all....why do you assume he is? Mind boggling...
What's a scarecrow argument? Can I put it in my field of wheat to scare away crows like yourself?
Why, Meshak, do you reject Christ's words?
And He said to them, [JESUS]“When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”[/JESUS] So they said, “Nothing.”Then He said to them, [JESUS]“But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”[/JESUS]So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, [JESUS]“It is enough.”[/JESUS] - Luke 22:35-38 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke22:35-38&version=NKJV
Not what your argument was, Meshak.
Moving the goalposts is not allowed.
You said:
Jesus said:
And He said to them, [JESUS]“When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”[/JESUS] So they said, “Nothing.”Then He said to them, [JESUS]“But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”[/JESUS]So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, [JESUS]“It is enough.”[/JESUS] - Luke 22:35-38 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke22:35-38&version=NKJV
I believe Jesus rather than Meshak.
Saying it doesn't make it so, Meshak!
Give it up. Concede that Jesus said that his followers could be armed.
You have no evidence for your claim of His disciples was carrying around sword to kill their enemy.
Show me the evidence. I know you cannot because your reading is so warped.
Stop behaving like teenage bully.
You are so dishonest.
that's what happens when you follow man-made doctrines and follower of the crowd.
The troll apparently doesn't know scripture very well.
Moving the goalposts is not allowed.
Your position was:
And we have shown that to be false!
Because JESUS HIMSELF said:
And He said to them, [JESUS]“When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”[/JESUS] So they said, “Nothing.”Then He said to them, [JESUS]“But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”[/JESUS]So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, [JESUS]“It is enough.”[/JESUS] - Luke 22:35-38 http://www.biblegateway.com/pa...arch=Luke22:35-38&version=NKJV
And while He was still speaking, behold, a multitude; and he who was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them and drew near to Jesus to kiss Him.But Jesus said to him, [JESUS]“Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?”[/JESUS]When those around Him saw what was going to happen, they said to Him, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?”And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear.But Jesus answered and said, [JESUS]“Permit even this.”[/JESUS] And He touched his ear and healed him.Then Jesus said to the chief priests, captains of the temple, and the elders who had come to Him, [JESUS]“Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs?When I was with you daily in the temple, you did not try to seize Me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness.”[/JESUS] - Luke 22:47-53 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke22:47-53&version=NKJV
You lose troll.
Quit rejecting Jesus' words!
Quit rejecting Scripture!
Stop being a troll.
You are the troll. this is my thread.
And this is more accurate verses:
read and weep, ignorant.
[MENTION=16942]JudgeRightly[/MENTION],
Rosen has been agreeing with my OP and you have been agreeing with him too.
Now you are changing your position again?
what's the flip flop?
You obviously against my op, then why have you been agreeing with Rosen? It seems you did not even understand what he is saying.
Rosen has been agreeing with my OP and you have been agreeing with him too.
Now you are changing your position again?
what's the flip flop?
You obviously against my op, then why have you been agreeing with Rosen? It seems you did not even understand what he is saying.
Aimiel
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I daresay you're not qualified to tell God what He can or can't do. He doesn't fit into a box. Millions of Jews are walking the earth not believing that Jesus was God's Son because they believe that God cannot be a man.
It should be outlawed.
It's a God-given right; the government just thinks that it's a good idea to protect that right, without prejudice.
Any government that wants un-armed citizenry is attempting to create a slave-state.
Agreed.
When a ruler (or any form of government really) oversteps his bounds it is sometimes necessary to remove him (them) from power. Should that governor (government) refuse to acquiesce, force may become necessary. Just because you don't believe that one's liberty is important doesn't mean that everyone should.
Of course: I've never thought that anything I've ever said or done was perfect and am open to learning and correcting my mistakes.
Um... we're the strongest, most free and most Gospel-preaching country on earth, I'd say we haven't 'fallen' but rather: risen. Your understanding is obviously darkened.
I don't buy that.
If quoting Scripture equaled correct belief or a sign of relationship with God all people on earth would be worshipping Squeaky, who posts more Scripture daily than any Bible has in It's Covers.
I have to agree with you there.
I've already read every Scripture, perhaps more times than you've opened your Bible.
Your logic is flawed.
Not just illogical; it's also silly. My happiness comes from doing what God tells me to do. It's a holy thing that you couldn't understand, not having a relationship with Him Whom you profess so much knowledge about.
We've tried voting for those who espouse 'right' motives; time and again, only to find out they were lying (most of them). Now we have a President who is keeping his campaign promises and the press and many others hate him for just that. Yes, the democrats have a majority in our Congress right now and our freedoms may be eroded by them (or they may attempt to do so in the near future) but I believe that the majority of Americans are not going to sit idly by and let that happen. I hope it doesn't come to it but if necessary, there just may have to be some type of intervention, very soon. If you don't understand that or agree with that, then you're part of the problem.
Aimiel
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I don't buy your 'evidence' which re-writes history. Sorry.
I know, right?
Flattery will get you nowhere.
You don't believe the earthly things I'm telling you, so what makes you think that I'd attempt to tell you things that require faith in God? You would reject what I say out-of-hand, I'm sure.
Rosenritter
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Two swords for twelve disciples? Why was this either sufficient or more than enough? Each warrior needs at least one sword and sometimes two (assuming no shield or spear.)
So if he was equipping them for war, why did he say that they had enough swords? One was for Peter, obviously, to chop the ear off of the high priests servant, but who was the other sword for? Or perhaps he said "it is enough" because they had taken his metaphorical statement literally as they did when he said to "beware the leaven of the Pharisees."