A constitutional monarchy.
pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
- Thread starter meshak
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A constitutional monarchy.
YES.
Pacifism is about no conflict at all, which will not be possible until Christ returns.
Should it be possible for believers?
Rosenritter
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Daniel 7:25 KJV
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
It doesn't sound like the saints are supposed to be fighting back with weapons of war.
Believers are to, where possible, live at peace with their neighbors.
No.
Once again, using passages that describe the END TIMES(!) to go against believers being in the military is called taking things out of context.
Why do I have to keep repeating myself on this?
Do you believe that Christians should join the military?
What do you mean by saying if possible? Should not Christians live the same at all times, that is, without compromise?
If they feel like it, sure.
Because living at peace with one's neighbor is not always possible.
We are in the end times now as described by Christ in Mat.ch24 and Rev.ch 6.
It just might be the Lord Himself warning Christians to stay out of the military because it is not the Christians way to conquer their enemies, particularly as God has shown in the Bible many times that He has raised up enemies of the flesh minded believers in order that they might repent of their ungodly behavior and even be destroyed if they do not turn from their wicked ways.
(Psalm 20:7)
( Psalm 81:13-14)
LA
What if peace for someone else depends on the one who believes? Recklessness is not the answer, to either of these.
For example, if someone just feels like joining the military is that a good decision? Because maybe a pacifist would join the military. Meaning, someone might justify their doing so, rather than condemning a person for being associated with those who kill for a living.
Nope.
Your misapplication of scripture is what causes you to believe the strangest ideas.
To remedy that, I recommend you read the Bible from cover to cover.
Like I said... :kookoo:
Covered by...
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. - Romans 12:18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans12:18&version=KJV
Duh.
Okay. Better when scripture says it than our own interpretations of what scripture says. Thanks.
Is joining the military about killing foreigners who have committed capital crimes?
What does it mean to protect our freedom?
Is it ever okay to kill?
Murder is against the Law. Does this include killing, including killing murderers? What does the Torah say about what is involved in this, rather than joining the military?
What does it mean to protect our freedom?
Is it ever okay to kill?
Murder is against the Law. Does this include killing, including killing murderers? What does the Torah say about what is involved in this, rather than joining the military?
No.
It's about protecting the innocent.
Again, protect the innocent.
Under the authority of one's government, yes.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. - Romans 12:19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans12:19&version=KJV
Yup.
No, you've got it backwards.
Murder is a subset of killing.
Killing murderers for their crimes is just.
No idea what you mean.
I am asking if you know about the avenger of blood, a family member of the deceased the one murdered. This is different from a military or executioner/executioners.
Do not murder
Do not kill
both of these commandments are found in scripture
what of killing a murderer though.
Is protecting the innocent an noble idea but does it work or is it right?
If vengeance is God's is this by the military?
How does a person take that upon themself? Is it even possible to rightly do so?
You said that killing murderers for their crimes is just. Only the crime of murder or what? What crimes are you talking about that a person should die for? I wonder if you go by the Torah, God's Law, His commandments, and if the Law is for today (sorry for this).
Rosenritter
New member
It might be preferable to voluntary leave (if you have that option) rather than to suffer a court martial for failing to follow lawful orders.
Rosenritter
New member
Considering that no man knows the day nor the hour of Christ's return, what special event are you waiting for to tell you that it is no longer acceptable to kill your enemies?
Can voluntary leave be permanent? I have never been in the military.
drbrumley
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So, am I a pacifist? That all depends on what you mean by pacifist. If the essence of pacifism is opposition to war and the initiation of violence, then I proudly wear the label. However, if pacifism does not include the right of self-defense; that is, if it precludes using violence in defense of violence committed against one’s person or property, then count me out. Like a lot of things, it all hinges on how you define your terms.