ECT Our triune God

[patrick jane]

Duh.



So now sin is "natural" as the progression of a creation that was originally "tov" (good)? Creation just arbitrarily brought forth sin all by it's wittle bitty self.

Wow. You have no clue. Tell us all exactly what it means that God created evil in Isaiah 45:7. (Hint: the Calvinists don't understand Theodicy either.)

Yes, sin was a known consequence of creation. God knows. God allowed His creation to experience evil and sin and death after the fall.

Why don't you explain Isaiah 45:7 NIV - Genius

 

[patrick jane]

Isaiah 45:7 NIV -

God is ruler over light and darkness, over prosperity and disaster. Our lives are sprinkled with both types of experiences, and both are needed for us to grow spiritually

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Duh.



So now sin is "natural" as the progression of a creation that was originally "tov" (good)? Creation just arbitrarily brought forth sin all by it's wittle bitty self.

Wow. You have no clue. Tell us all exactly what it means that God created evil in Isaiah 45:7. (Hint: the Calvinists don't understand Theodicy either.)

You yourself have said tov means functional.

Have you changed your mind?

I happen to think it was functional and good, it did just as God intended.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Jesus had to be a man in order to be tempted and to die.

Jesus was made a man like us.

LA

Still the same spirit soul he was when he was with God before ever the earth was.

 

[patrick jane]

Still the same spirit soul he was when he was with God before ever the earth was.

:thumb:

 

[patrick jane]

You yourself have said tov means functional.

Have you changed your mind?

I happen to think it was functional and good, it did just as God intended.

Yep, in God's perfect plan there's a reason for everything. A good reason

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Yep, in God's perfect plan there's a reason for everything. A good reason

Amen.

 

[Cross Reference]

So are you more Unitarian (Jesus as a man "created"/born from Mary's womb) or Arian (Jesus as a created celestial being who then "became" a man in the womb of Mary) or an Adoptionist (Arian or Unitarian, but with the man becoming divine or glorified in some manner during life, at death, or at/after resurrection/Ascension)?

Pay attention again, for the first time, Jesus was born, Adam was created. Got it? Both came directly by the Hand of God. Look that up in the Hebrew or Greek. It doesn't matter. The understanding is still the same . . . even in English.

 

[Cross Reference]

Yes, sin was a known consequence of creation. God knows. God allowed His creation to experience evil and sin and death after the fall.

Why don't you explain Isaiah 45:7 NIV - Genius

Nonsense. That makes God the creator of sin. Impssible for Him to do.

 

[patrick jane]

Nonsense. That makes God the creator of sin. Impssible for Him to do.

Nonsense, I said God did not create evil or sin

 

[Cross Reference]

Nonsense, I said God did not create evil or sin

Then I stand corrected, don't I? So what is with God allowing it as well as evil? Why do you suppose He would do that?

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Yes, sin was a known consequence of creation. God knows. God allowed His creation to experience evil and sin and death after the fall.

Why don't you explain Isaiah 45:7 NIV - Genius

I could do so nearly ad infinitum, but you wouldn't listen because you think you already know. Why would I engage in such futility?

You didn't address what it means when Isaiah indicates God creates evil (ra'a). What is ra'a, especially relative to tov ("good")?

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Pay attention again, for the first time, Jesus was born, Adam was created. Got it? Both came directly by the Hand of God. Look that up in the Hebrew or Greek. It doesn't matter. The understanding is still the same . . . even in English.

Yeah, "looking up" something in Hebrew or Greek is nothing like actually knowing what those languages are actually and originally saying.

I was merely asking for clarification in a very neutral manner as inquiry.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Nonsense, I said God did not create evil or sin

Then who created it?

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

You yourself have said tov means functional.

Of course.

Have you changed your mind?

Of course not.

I happen to think it was functional and good, it did just as God intended.

But "evil" is not tov, it's ra'a. There's ya problem, Hoss. Not knowing what ra'a is in relation to tov.

 

[Cross Reference]

Yeah, "looking up" something in Hebrew or Greek is nothing like actually knowing what those languages are actually and originally saying.

I was merely asking for clarification in a very neutral manner as inquiry.

In the end, does that matter given the evidence given us from Greek and Hebrew as near as original doc's as possible that declare it to be as any modern Bible has it? If there is a consensus of understanding from the scholars, what it is to be gained by questioning them except they, themselves who may have an untoward agenda in their ranks?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

But "evil" is not tov, it's ra'a. There's ya problem, Hoss. Not knowing what ra'a is in relation to tov.

Don't need to.

God said let the earth bring forth.

What did it bring forth?

Clean and unclean?

What did God use to form man?

Besides his son?

Earth.

 

[Cross Reference]

Don't need to.

God said let the earth bring forth.

What did it bring forth?

Clean and unclean?

What did God use to form man?

Besides his son.

Who was God's son at that point in time? Just askin' because it couldn't have been Jesus.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Don't need to.

Oh, but you most assuredly do; otherwise resulting in fallacy such as you propose.

God said let the earth bring forth.

What did it bring forth?

Clean and unclean?

What did God use to form man?

Besides his son.

Sigh. Way wide on that shot again, Bro.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

In the end, does that matter given the evidence given us from Greek and Hebrew as near as original doc's as possible that declare it to be as any modern Bible has it? If there is a consensus of understanding from the scholars, what it is to be gained by questioning them except they, themselves who may have an untoward agenda in their ranks?

Yes, it matters. A lot.