Then why shouldn't he wish to die?
This life is a gift. I enjoy it.
Then why shouldn't he wish to die?
Which is?
If someone knows, with 100% certainty, that:
1. He is saved, no matter what he does.
2. No experience in this life could possibly be better than what he will experience following his own bodily death.
Then why shouldn't he wish to die?
OSAS is more archaically known as 'Perseverance of the Saints'. It's the 'P' in TULIP.
Those who are once saved, always saved will not die in wickedness. It's a doctrine situated on predestination, and doesn't work well when interpreted by another perspective- that is why it is common for many to suppose it's about simply getting baptized or something and it's written in stone.
Romans 3
10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”
You really must get the big picture and NOT read HALF verses (sentences).
Rom 6:23 KJV For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Unlike you, Paul continued ON to the ANSWER.
Yes, that's what Peter said.
Then Peter said to them, "Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38 NKJV)
That was a given.
Yes, that's what Peter said.
Then Peter said to them, "Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38 NKJV)
That was a given.
OSAS is rooted in punctiliar notions. A one-time profession of faith and then often leading to a presumed license to sin. Preservation of the saints is quite different for it takes seriously all the warning verses as the means by which God's redemptive ends are realized, stirring up the faithful.OSAS is more archaically known as 'Perseverance of the Saints'. It's the 'P' in TULIP.
When we feel that we're drowning in the depths of despair, know that other godly people have felt the same sense of hopelessness. For example, the prophet Jeremiah emotionally hit bottom, yet he also had the wisdom to look up to the Lord and find hope. These are his honest words:
"I remember my affliction and my wandering, the bitterness and the gall. I well remember them, and my soul is downcast within me. Yet this I call to mind and therefore I have hope: Because of the Lord's great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail. They are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. I say to myself, 'The Lord is my portion; therefore I will wait for him.'" (Lamentations 3:19-24)
Wrong Belief: "Life is hopeless. I see no purpose to go on living."
Right Belief: Since I choose to walk by faith, not by sight or feelings, I'm placing my hope in the Lord, knowing He has His purpose and plans for my life.
"Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from him. He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken." (Psalm 62:5-6)
Here are seven Scriptural reasons to say no to suicide:
Reason #1: Suicide rejects God's offer of inner peace.
"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)
Reason #2: Suicide rejects God's sovereignty over the length of your life.
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.... Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." (Psalm 139:13, 16)
Reason #3: Suicide rejects God's right to be Lord over your life.
"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own." (1 Corinthians 6:19)
Reason #4: Suicide rejects God's commandment not to murder.
"You shall not murder." (Deuteronomy 5:17)
Reason #5: Suicide rejects God's ability to heal your hurts.
"Heal me, O Lord, and I will be healed." (Jeremiah 17:14)
Reason #6: Suicide rejects God's plan to give you hope.
"'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'" (Jeremiah 29:11)
Reason #7: Suicide rejects God's power already in you to make you godly.
"His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires." (2 Peter 1:3-4)
We were created to bring glory to God:
Romans 11:36 (NKJV)
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
1 Corinthians 10:31 (NKJV)
Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
Asking God for death is asking God to cut short His plans for you to bring all glory to Himself.
Where there is life, there is hope!
"Anyone who is among the living has hope." (Ecclesiastes 9:4)
"We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure." (Hebrews 6:19)
Meditate on the following: Romans 15:13, Psalm 121:7, Psalm 46:1, Psalm 62, Psalm 68:19, Psalm 147:3, 2 Corinthians 1:3-11, 4:16-18, 7:6, 12:8,9,10, Psalm 43:5, Psalm 22:24, Psalm 119:50, Psalm 34, Psalm 42:5, Psalm 86, Nahum 1:7, Job 29:3, Isaiah 25:8, 30:18,19,20, 40:1, 41:10,13,14, Psalm 69, Psalm 13, Psalm 94:19, Lamentations 3:1-66, Jeremiah 31:13, Psalm 56:3,8, Psalm 59:10, Psalm 54:7
AMR
You think the Holy Spirit is the same gift as eternal life?
He was speaking to the Jews.
OSAS is rooted in punctiliar notions. A one-time profession of faith and then often leading to a presumed license to sin.
Because we are no longer our own.Why shouldn't an OSAS believer kill himself?
Because we are no longer our own.
Because there is value in life and a purpose in witness.
Between those two poles you have enough reason to life as an ambassador and example.
Everybody's defending Reformed doctrine. I thought most of the people here were open theists :freak:
I think youre confused, open theism and mad, are 2 different things.