SonOfCaleb
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And what "the text" would that be, sport? Does this "the" text have a name? You have this "the" text?
I thought that was obvious...the text is the Bible.....
And what "the text" would that be, sport? Does this "the" text have a name? You have this "the" text?
Slower-pay attention to her "argument:"
"is not in the original writings."-her
"You have these "original writings?"-saint John W
That is deception, as these "original writings" bit the dust, thousands of years ago.
I thought that was obvious...the text is the Bible.....
Who knows? English versions are translated from Hebrew and from Greek, the word "jehovah" is neither. It is made up.
John,
Do you take the time to study other denominations out of the 20,000 plus, besides your own.
This is a Jehovahs witnesses textbook rhetoric that the watch tower teaches.
Instead of being rude, you could recognize the origin of her argument and speak to her with respect from scripture.
Sup Danoh,
Did you read the words of my post before you started speaking harshly. It is the one place in the JW bible that cites Jesus as Jehovah. I was sharing with a sister in Christ.
But hey, I remember Jesus going around and making fun of people that were struggling as well. Could you shoot me those verses where Jesus is an a hole.
I keep forgetting them.
Request denied.
And those employed by the US government, to identify fake currency, bills, know "the genuine article," i.e, genuine dollar bills.......to be able to "spot" the fake.
That is what I do.
Move along, with your "on the sideline" boo the players/troops.
So much for your nameless in grace.
Of what good is this so called grace of yours that you can't "suffer" a buffeting "when ye be buffeted."
Sup on that :chuckle:
More, deception. What is this "the text?" "the Bible?" Identify it. There is just one "the text," just one "the Bible?" Where can we get a copy?
Deception-you "argued:"
"What I'm talking about are deliberate interpolations or deliberate corruptions of the text"-you
So, "the bible," "the text," was corrupted? What "the original" "the bible" would that be, that was corrupted?
Clueless. You need to fold, as you just read that, on a website, and are just winging it.
What are you blabbering on about? I've not read anything on any website. If you're going to make empty baseless troll claims to goad debate then at least have the gumption to adhere to your own standard and quote your source.
I made a simple and very easy to understand post. Its common knowledge among theologians and secular academics alike that the Bible has suffered from numerous mistranslations and interpolations. The mere fact numerous different versions exist and translations from numerous different manuscripts attest to that fact.
If you want specific verses to ponder over why not just say that instead of your petulant empty response? Here's one for you to chew over seeing as you're a pedant John 8:1-11. That ENTIRE passage was made up. Its nowhere to be found in any of the ancient codex or early manuscripts. Its a known forgery. But you knew that didn't you.....
Your conviction on your position is quite ironic as there is NO SECULAR evidence that proves Jesus was nailed to a cross.
Evidence is proven or disproved by what the Bible says, not what Josephus says.
Put religion to one side for a moment and just consider the sheer weight of secular evidence...
The J W translation is also a mistake. Quote: "...the New World Translation, goes so far as to translate "cross" and "crucify" as "torture stake" and "impale."
Just to be difficult, I am posting verses right out of the New world translation....
Please read them carefully, but read them knowing that they are directly out of a watch tower bible.
Romans 10:
9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,+ and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration+ for salvation.
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”+
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek.+ There is the same Lord over all, who is rich* toward all those calling on him.
13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.”+
14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?
.......................... According to verse 9 to 11, who is being talked about as to who we call on to be saved?
More specifically, who is verse 13 referring to when it says "name of Jehovah"?
According to 9 a 13 what is the name of Jehovah that I call on to be saved.
Check it out. I promise you, it will be in your New World Translation. Exactly as you see it here.
Nice present a moving target...."Yeh, but what about.....?"
That's slick...Real slick.....Like a serpent...
Nick,
If you throw Josephus out, you better be prepared to throw much of the New Testament out. He is a very important reference to the very validity of Jesus's existence.
Um... The Talmud does indeed mention, but... We'll.. I'm not so sure that's a good place to go. Anger at Him is very apparent in those writings.
Like as in Mary lied... Jesus was a no good scorcher. On the flip. The denial of His Devine birth and recognition of his miracles does give Him even more validity, and would suggest religious leaders were angry enough to ensure He was crucified.