On Rape

WizardofOz

WizardofOz

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We're rationalizing rape now?

We're rationalizing rape now?

glorydaz said:
Well, I know you may not like this, but I can think of some instances where rape is the woman's fault. I know....women are supposed to have the right to strip naked and do a pole dance at a frat party with a bunch of drunk college men and not get raped, but the fact remains....it would be her fault if she ended up getting raped.
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Nope :nono: not even then
 
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Jerome84

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If a man gets raped its not his fault. And if a child gets raped its not the childs fault. Same goes for women.

Says itself. Weird to even discuss it.

For example the women getting mass raped by Islamic state members, are not to be blamed. They are victims of course.
 
musterion

musterion

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ok doser said:
is she responsible?

would it shock you if i told you that i could argue yes?
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Could try to argue yes? No. If anyone here would try, it's probably you, Mr. Shock Sock. :)

Cogently? Successfully? No. But have at it and realize that when you fail, you'll have burned up what last few graces you still have with the women here, and likely most of the men.
 
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bybee

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musterion said:
Could try to argue yes? No. If anyone here would try, it's probably you, Mr. Shock Sock. :)

Cogently? Successfully? No. But have at it and realize that when you fail, you'll have burned up what last few graces you still have with the women here, and likely most of the men.
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Amen Brother!
 
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bybee

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glorydaz said:
Well, I know you may not like this, but I can think of some instances where rape is the woman's fault. I know....women are supposed to have the right to strip naked and do a pole dance at a frat party with a bunch of drunk college men and not get raped, but the fact remains....it would be her fault if she ended up getting raped.
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So, only women are responsible for their behavior? A man is allowed to engage in reprehensible behavior if he is tempted?
The problem is that temptation is in the eye of the beholder.
Some Islamists state that even the sight of a woman's hand may inflame a man(I use the term "man" loosely here).
A few years ago in Miami many people were robbed and murdered because they took a wrong turn and became lost in the wrong neighborhood. Are they to blame for crimes against them?
It is very foolish to engage in behavior which might leave one vulnerable to attack of any sort, yet, the victim is not the perpetrator.
The mind of a rapist is a cesspool of self-indulgence.
 
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ok doser

ok doser

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glorydaz said:
Well, I know you may not like this, but I can think of some instances where rape is the woman's fault. I know....women are supposed to have the right to strip naked and do a pole dance at a frat party with a bunch of drunk college men and not get raped, but the fact remains....it would be her fault if she ended up getting raped.
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if i went down to the ferguson protests wearing klan robes carrying a sign that said "Michael Brown Deserved To Be Shot", would I bear any responsibility for the inevitable beating I would get? Of course




how about this one? Is this woman responsible for the "rape" that she endured?
Herewith, a Philadelphia magazine report about Swarthmore College, where in 2013 a student “was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up (ie. having sex) for three months”:

“They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’”

Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...0e73b4-eb50-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html
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ok doser

ok doser

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WizardofOz said:
Nope :nono: not even then
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problem is, wiz, as the rules stand right now, you could be in the middle of a consensual act and if she changes her mind and says "no" and you continue, that's rape


and i'm struggling with how to deal with these instances of behavior that no Christian should engage in - pole dancing, strip clubs, prostitutes, wild parties fueled by alcohol and drugs - while they're certainly a part of our diseased culture, i find it difficult not to just dismiss the whole mess and turn my back on it

unfortunately, it comes to my central point, which is that the cesspool of a culture that exists has been allowed to develop with the complacence of those who should know better, who should be leaders in setting societal norms - Christians, especially Christian woman

for every Christian woman who has allowed herself to be swayed by the arguments of those who claim that "freedom for all means we must allow freedom for the perverse", whether those perversities be abortion, pornography, divorce, adultery, homosexuality or a culture absolutely saturated in sex (see miley cyrus), i lay blame
 
ok doser

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Jerome84 said:
If a man gets raped its not his fault.
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if i go to a gay bar wearing chaps and drink until i pass out, i bear absolutely no responsibility for what happens next?

And if a child gets raped its not the childs fault.
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struggled with this last night - I'd say that a child is the responsibility of the parents and if the parents put the child in a position where they are at risk of molestation, then the parents bear some responsibility for the molestation - for example, if the parents allow a known pedophile to babysit their children
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

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glorydaz said:
Well, I know you may not like this, but I can think of some instances where rape is the woman's fault. I know....women are supposed to have the right to strip naked and do a pole dance at a frat party with a bunch of drunk college men and not get raped, but the fact remains....it would be her fault if she ended up getting raped.
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Right, a man lacks discipline and assaults her... clearly her fault. I will remember this if I ever go to a strip club. "Your honor, I know I did those things, but who could blame me?"

Yeah, doesn't work like that.
 
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