heir
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You're not saved unless you believe that the sins Christ died for was all of them.
Obeying Jesus' teachings or commands is requirement for salvation.
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heir
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No one has to repent that their sins be forgiven, they need trust the Lord believing they already are.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Every single one.
Hallelujah!
God's Truth
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There is no way Paul was speaking of his condition after he was saved.
Paul trained his body so that he would not be disqualified while he preached to others.
Luke 6:40
A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.
1 Corinthians 9:25
Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
1 Timothy 4:7, 8
Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Titus 2:4
Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,
Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
Hebrews 12:11
No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
heir
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In Paul's flesh, in mine, yours and every one else's on the planet dwelleth NO GOOD THING. And no matter how bad you try, you cannot make your flesh good. Slapping a coat of paint on it, does not change what is going on underneath the paint. You can lie about it all day long (you who has claimed to stop sinning), but those who understand the sin nature, have your number. What would be the best outcome here is if you just fessed up, stopped the charade and got saved. We would all rejoice with you.
God's Truth
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Luke 13:5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
We do not have to clean up our act in order for God to save us.
Romans 5 KJV
(8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
(8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
God's Truth
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Oh but there is a good thing inside my flesh, and it is the Holy Spirit.
heir
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wrong gospel
God's Truth
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Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
The GENTILES WERE ENEMIES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT CIRCUMCISED IN THE FLESH.
Jesus still saved them WHILE THEY WERE UNCIRCUMCISED ENEMIES.
God's Truth
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You are telling JESUS wrong gospel.
You are telling Jesus that his words are not for you.
God's Truth
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Do you really think the Father and Jesus are going to make their home in your heart if you have not repented of your sins?
Jamie Gigliotti
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So on one side of the coin you say one is truely saved as demonstrated by their obedience.
I say submission to find eternal life submit to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
The difference is I argue that the Devil prowls around like a roaring lion, looking to stop the seed from producing fruit for God's kingdom. That it is possible to fall, or else there would not be warnings to stand. That "Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trail, for when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him" James 1:12
I say this does take "sowing to please the Spirit" and this is by Grace, no one gets the Spirit other than by grace, but it is a necessary endeavor God has required. (Galatians 6:8).
nikolai_42
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I believe she wears many hats...
nikolai_42
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Don't you have to have the Holy Spirit first before you can even be good? Isn't that what you are saying when you say that the Holy Spirit dwelling in you is the good that dwells in your flesh? So which came first? The Holy Spirit or the love?
EDIT: Or do you not believe that the love commanded by God is a "good" work?
Mocking You
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I understand why you have a problem with interpreting the Bible. A plain, simple reading of this text makes it clear that Paul is talking about himself after conversion.
Romans 5 KJV
(8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
(8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
I believe it.
heir
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:nono: I'm telling you, that you are preaching the wrong gospel as TO us.
heir
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The Lord was not speaking TO any of us in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (Matthew 15:24 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJV). Get a grip.
heir
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Do you really think that the Lord wants to continually hear your unbelief by your imagination that repenting and confessing is what will get your sins forgiven when the work of our salvation was accomplished 2000 years ago by God through Jesus Christ and God the father raising Him from the dead?