Noah's Flood - The Mystery

[Interplanner]

Hopefully 2Pillars will see that what Genesis says is subversive to uniformitarianism. Since uniformitarianism is the modern myth that supports racism and huge government-as-god, it cannot endure Genesis.

I'm not sure about the 'formless and void' era mentioned, but the length of that is irrelevant to how quickly creation or the deluge took place. There are models out there that account for all 'ice age' phenomenon in only 800 years, after the deluge. The die-off of thousands of mammoths in 'loess' (blowing snowy sand after an ice event) took place in a matter of hours. The spectacular granite domes of Patagonia and Yosemite, says one English geologist, could form in a matter of hours. And on and on goes the list of basic deluge facts.

The descriptions of the rains of the flood can kind of miss the point that the event was actually the disruption of the earth's mantle and of a canopy of some sort. These models refer to vertical tectonic movement and to massive sedimentary movement that was both quick and recent. That's what the deluge was.

A good recent resource list is at the back of my novel DELUGE OF SUSPICIONS.

 

[beameup]

Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God.

Adam was the first human being created. There were no "beings" on the earth other than mankind until the bene ha'elohim. There have been some remains of nephilim found, but they came 500 years after Adam, as a result of fallen angels materializing on the earth and taking human women as "wives" to have offspring.

Perhaps you've been watching too much "Star Trek"? :dizzy:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. - Jude 6

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; - 2 Peter 2:4

 

[CherubRam]

mal'ak are a creation of Almighty God. mal'ak are found throughout the Old Testament.
Perhaps you've never read the Old Testament??

Dear dimwit, the Hebrew word malak never, ever, means angel. Pagan Christians use the word malak for their personal interpretation to mean angel. There is no such thing as angels.

 

[Interplanner]

Dear dimwit, the Hebrew word malak never, ever, means angel. Pagan Christians use the word malak for their personal interpretation to mean angel. There is no such thing as angels.

Oh? What was Michael in the book of Daniel?

While we are at it, what is a Pagan Christian? I was trying to evangelize a Pagan this week.

 

[2Pillars]

Adam was the first human being created. There were no "beings" on the earth other than mankind until the bene ha'elohim. There have been some remains of nephilim found, but they came 500 years after Adam, as a result of fallen angels materializing on the earth and taking human women as "wives" to have offspring.

Perhaps you've been watching too much "Star Trek"? :dizzy:

Wrong... As I have predicted, you can NOT use Scripture to support your wild imagination.

Read My lips...

Unlike those Prehistoric Mankind, We know that Angels are spiritual beings and not Flesh.. therefore, not the subject being mentioned in the context of the text Gen 6:3.

Perhaps, you need somebody to help you understand the context of Gen 6:3, would that be the case?

You must be reading a lot Fantasies & Comics.... Come on man...get real

 

[CherubRam]

Nephilim is an untranslated Hebrew word from the root nephal.
It is translated in the Septuagint from Hebrew to Greek as gigantes which means "earth bound".
The nephilim were the product of bene ha'elohim (sons of God) copulating with bath 'adam (daughters of Adam).

Angels in heaven don't marry (besides, angels are all male)

There are extra-canonical books that clearly describe these fallen angels and their plot to corrupt all of human DNA.
Why else would God destroy all life in the Flood?

Nephilim means "fallen ones." The word "Nephilim" is traced to the root "Niphal" meaning "distinguished ones." This corresponds with "men of renown" in Genesis. Throughout the bible human beings are called "Sons of God."

 

[CherubRam]

Oh? What was Michael in the book of Daniel?

While we are at it, what is a Pagan Christian? I was trying to evangelize a Pagan this week.

"Michael your prince" is not a correct translation. The correct translation is "Michael your minister." Michael is a man who lives in the last days. In the parables the number of wings has to do with status. On earth the four messengers have four wings, and in heaven they have six. Pagan Christians join Paganism beliefs to God.

 

[6days]

1 rotation of the earth = 1 day

Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

It seems like God was trying to make it easy for us to understand.

 

[beameup]

Dear dimwit, the Hebrew word malak never, ever, means angel. Pagan Christians use the word malak for their personal interpretation to mean angel. There is no such thing as angels.

You are making a fool of yourself. :zakath:
A real "dunce" of the forum. :dunce:

Genesis 19:1, 19:15, 21:17, 24:7, 24:40, 28:12, 31:11, 32:1, 32:3, 32:6, etc, etc, etc.
מַלְאָךְ (mal'ak), occurs 214 times in 197 verses

Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge:
but a fool layeth open his folly. - Proverbs 13:16

 

[6days]

Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was brought forth from the waters on Day 5. This includes the Prehistoric Mankind or sons of God of Gen 6 who's origin is also from the waters.

Genesis 1:21 tells us "So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind."

Science agrees that all living creatures/species originated and evolved from the waters.

Science says no such thing, and God's Word tells us He created man from dust.

God (Elohim) originally brought forth EVERY Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5.

Gen.1:24And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
31...the sixth day.

Like the animals made from the dust, men also married and produced children with Prehistoric Mankind....

Because you don't believe the first 3 words in the Bible, you invent and add all types of secular ideas into scripture.

 

[beameup]

Nephilim means "fallen ones." The word "Nephilim" is traced to the root "Niphal" meaning "distinguished ones." This corresponds with "men of renown" in Genesis. Throughout the bible human beings are called "Sons of God."

Nope. The Septuagint dates to the 3rd century BC and correctly reflects the understanding of the term by the esteemed Jews that did the translation: "gigantes" means "earth-bound" and they were extremely violent, "falling-upon" their victims. As well, they just happened to be extremely large and tall and had extreme strength.

****** "Just say no" to the Watchtower Society *******

These are the only references to "sons of God" in the Old Testament (outside of Genesis 6):

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7

 

[2Pillars]

Genesis 1:21 tells us "So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind."
Science says no such thing, and God's Word tells us He created man from dust.

Gen.1:24And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
31...the sixth day.
Because you don't believe the first 3 words in the Bible, you invent and add all types of secular ideas into scripture.

You don't deserve a Rebuttal, because, your distortion of my quotes into disproportion is apparent.

Please, stop projecting your own weaknesses for others to see.

God Bless

 

[6days]

You don't deserve a Rebuttal, because, your distortion of my quotes.....

You don't need reply. But I will continue pointing out how you distort and add secular ideas into God's Word.

 

[2Pillars]

You don't need reply. But I will continue pointing out how you distort and add secular ideas into God's Word.

Sure, please do so... and if I find your post worthy of rebuttal, I will do the same.

Just be honest in making your premises for discussion of others "QUOTE"...in order for you to gain and have credibility, for a change.

People here are very intelligent as you are well aware. They will know if you are projecting your own weaknesses on this thread.

God Bless

 

[CherubRam]

You are making a fool of yourself. :zakath:
A real "dunce" of the forum. :dunce:

Genesis 19:1, 19:15, 21:17, 24:7, 24:40, 28:12, 31:11, 32:1, 32:3, 32:6, etc, etc, etc.
מַלְאָךְ (mal'ak), occurs 214 times in 197 verses

Is English your second language?

 

[2Pillars]

Scripture tells us that Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat and the FIRST human cities, built by Noah's great grandsons, are confirmed by Secular History as the Oldest Human cities in the world. The oldest human cities are some 10k years old, but BEFORE they were built, human farming began in the valleys just southwest of Lake Van, which is in the mountains of Ararat.

The 450 foot covered Ark won't be found on the top of Mt. Ararat because God is much too smart for that since ALL of the people in the Ark would have frozen at that altitude, if they could breath at all. Lake Van, which is the largest Lake in Turkey and is 75 miles wide and some 1,450 feet deep, and makes a much more comfortable place for the Ark to be.

The map below shows WHERE and WHEN the FIRST Human farming, which led to the first human cities, began on our Planet. Remember that Adam was a farmer on the first Earth and Noah planet himself some grapes to make wine when he arrived here.

Gen 9:20-21 KJV And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: v21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken;

Notice that the map below shows that Noah began farming in the middle of the Fertile Crescent which is recognized as the Cradle of Human Civilization on our planet. Lake Van is located between the Center of the Fertile Crescent and Mt. Ararat.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

This is empirical evidence that the Bible is True since the cities listed in Genesis 10:10-11 are Named and some are still there to study. These cities were built in the last 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, some 6 Million years ago, in man's time.

Noah's grandson Cush, like Cain on Adam's world, had NO other Human person to marry. Like Cain, Cush married one of the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and produced Nimrod, the builder of the first Human cities.

Human civilization on this Earth began with the FIRST generation of children produced by one of Adam's grandson and a prehistoric woman.

This completely REFUTES the alledge 6k years old earth YEC' Theory -- Historically, Scientifically and most importantly, Scripturally ... Amen!!!

Of course, the same Reputation is applied to the False ToE.... since we did NOT evolve our Human intelligence over long periods of time and numerous positive mutations as Evols falsely teach our children in the Public Schools of the U.S.

God Bless

 

[CherubRam]

Nope. The Septuagint dates to the 3rd century BC and correctly reflects the understanding of the term by the esteemed Jews that did the translation: "gigantes" means "earth-bound" and they were extremely violent, "falling-upon" their victims. As well, they just happened to be extremely large and tall and had extreme strength.

****** "Just say no" to the Watchtower Society *******

These are the only references to "sons of God" in the Old Testament (outside of Genesis 6):

I see no point in discussing scriptures with a fool. Good bye.

Sons Of God

All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.

Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were powerful men of old, men of renown.

[Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.]

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Job 2:1
One day the sons of God came again to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hos 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God.

Luke 20:36
For they cannot die anymore, because they are like [angels/messengers] and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.

Galatians 3:26
for you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yashua.

John 10:33-34
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be (a God)."
34 Yashua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

Yahshua was asked if he was the Messiah, he was not asked if he was God. It has always been understood that the Messiah would be a god from Heaven.

John 10:24
The Jews who were there gathered around him, asking, “How long will you keep us in suspense, if you’re the Messiah, tell us plainly?”

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[way 2 go]

Genesis 1:21 tells us "So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind."
Science says no such thing, and God's Word tells us He created man from dust.

Gen.1:24And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
31...the sixth day.
Because you don't believe the first 3 words in the Bible, you invent and add all types of secular ideas into scripture.

all true :thumb:

 

[Wick Stick]

"Theology? I roll my own..."

 

[2Pillars]

Scripture tells us that Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat and the FIRST human cities, built by Noah's great grandsons, are confirmed by Secular History as the Oldest Human cities in the world. The oldest human cities are some 10k years old, but BEFORE they were built, human farming began in the valleys just southwest of Lake Van, which is in the mountains of Ararat.

The 450 foot covered Ark won't be found on the top of Mt. Ararat because God is much too smart for that since ALL of the people in the Ark would have frozen at that altitude, if they could breath at all. Lake Van, which is the largest Lake in Turkey and is 75 miles wide and some 1,450 feet deep, and makes a much more comfortable place for the Ark to be.

The map below shows WHERE and WHEN the FIRST Human farming, which led to the first human cities, began on our Planet. Remember that Adam was a farmer on the first Earth and Noah planet himself some grapes to make wine when he arrived here.

Gen 9:20-21 KJV And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: v21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken;

Notice that the map below shows that Noah began farming in the middle of the Fertile Crescent which is recognized as the Cradle of Human Civilization on our planet. Lake Van is located between the Center of the Fertile Crescent and Mt. Ararat.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

This is empirical evidence that the Bible is True since the cities listed in Genesis 10:10-11 are Named and some are still there to study. These cities were built in the last 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, some 6 Million years ago, in man's time.

Noah's grandson Cush, like Cain on Adam's world, had NO other Human person to marry. Like Cain, Cush married one of the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and produced Nimrod, the builder of the first Human cities.

Human civilization on this Earth began with the FIRST generation of children produced by one of Adam's grandson and a prehistoric woman.

This completely REFUTES the alledge 6k years old earth YEC' Theory -- Historically, Scientifically and most importantly, Scripturally ... Amen!!!

Of course, the same Reputation is applied to the False ToE.... since we did NOT evolve our Human intelligence over long periods of time and numerous positive mutations as Evols falsely teach our children in the Public Schools of the U.S.

God Bless

Adam's direct descendant, Noah and his family, arrived on our Earth, some 10k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him.

History agrees and the odd men out are the False ToE.... Religionist and YECs which are "willingly ignorant" (2Pe 3:5-7 KJV) of the total destruction of the 1st heaven, the world of Adam, and the true Human origins.

You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Gen 6:1-4 KJV

God Bless