ECT No grace came through Paul.

heir

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The princes of this world were never the faithful saints of the OT.
The fact that Christ died for our sins was a mystery 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV. How do I know this? First of all, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV tells us had the princes of this world known that fact, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory! God knew that and hid it. It's the hidden wisdom of God in a mystery. Simple. Just believe it.

Paul's my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery was "kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest,..."!

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And what is Paul's gospel? Paul declares it here:

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

If it was "kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest,..."(and it was) then it wasn't preached as the good news before that!

Simple Just believe it.
 

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The fact that Christ died for our sins was a mystery 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV. How do I know this? First of all, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV tells us had the princes of this world known that fact, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory! God knew that and hid it. It's the hidden wisdom of God in a mystery. Simple. Just believe it.

Paul's my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery was "kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest,..."!

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And what is Paul's gospel? Paul declares it here:

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

If it was "kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest,..."(and it was) then it wasn't preached as the good news before that!

Simple Just believe it.

Wrong.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 

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Your autobiography, titled; "The Incredible Shrinking Witless Man!"

Pro 3:29 Devise not evil against thy neighbour, seeing he dwelleth securely by thee.
Pro 3:30 Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.
Pro 3:31 Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.
Pro 3:32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.
Pro 3:33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
Pro 3:34 Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
Pro 3:35 The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.
 

heir

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Yes, you are. That Christ would die for some men's sins was hidden in the scriptures until revealed to and through the apostle Paul (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV).

That the grace of God would reach people like you and me (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) was a mystery later revealed to and through the apostle Paul. It wasn't a mystery hidden in the scriptures, but in God, unsearchable (Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV)! This is why we see Paul write "in due time" concerning "all men" (Acts 20:24 KJV, 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV, Titus 2:11 KJV,).
 

Cross Reference

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The fact that Christ died for our sins was a mystery 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV. How do I know this? First of all, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV tells us had the princes of this world known that fact, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory! God knew that and hid it. It's the hidden wisdom of God in a mystery. Simple. Just believe it.

Paul's my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery was "kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest,..."!

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And what is Paul's gospel? Paul declares it here:

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

If it was "kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest,..."(and it was) then it wasn't preached as the good news before that!

Simple Just believe it.

It is now been made known, as in revealed to us Christians, by the "life and death of Jesus Christ", Ms anti-Christ.
 

SaulToPaul 2

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He won't be able to answer! Actually, he doesn't have a clue?

LA alluded earlier to the idea that it was all of scripture.

So, someone would have to have read, understood, and believed all of scripture to be saved.

This would exclude the Acts 2 gang that he wants to be in.
 

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Yes, you are. That Christ would die for some men's sins was hidden in the scriptures until revealed to and through the apostle Paul (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV).

That the grace of God would reach people like you and me (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) was a mystery later revealed to and through the apostle Paul. It wasn't a mystery hidden in the scriptures, but in God, unsearchable (Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV)! This is why we see Paul write "in due time" concerning "all men" (Acts 20:24 KJV, 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV, Titus 2:11 KJV,).

So you claim the 120 and 3000 on the day of Pentecost did not have forgiveness of their sins through the blood of Christ

LA
 

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So?

It's easy to understand remission in Acts 2, if you understand the blotting out in Acts 3.

Remission was not forgiveness.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Same as--

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 

john w

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Peter and the other Apostles were taught the gospel by the risen Christ well before Paul came on the scene, who had to obey the same gospel as they all did.

But you have not.

LA

Did She answer the question? Nope-punt.

"Judas preached the same as did Jesus--"-child of the devil


The Lord Jesus Christ, whom you, in disdain, call "Jesus," never preached the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, nor did the 12, including your saint Judas, and you can't show that they did, wicked one.


Show us, chapter and verse, Christ rejector, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, including Judas, during the earthly ministry, at a time all of them were preaching the good news of the kingdom, "the gospel of the kingdom," ever preached:

"I/Christ is goingto die for your/our sins....be raised again for your/our justification...Believe this good news to be saved......"


Go ahead-chapter and verse.


As I predicted:

You cannot, and will not. Peter twice atempted to prevent the Master's death, the very death that was part of the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, and that reconciled him. The death, burial, resurrection, was hid from the 12(and satan, and his minions), until after it happened. They initially did not believe that he had risen.


Go ahead, Christ rejector. Show us.

You won't. Watch the punt, emotional diatribe to ensue-no scripture.


Wicked poser.
 

john w

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Wrong.
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world

That has NADA to do with a sin offering, deceiver-it was a reference to carrying away our griefs, burdens-NADA to do with dying for our sins.. John the Baptist had no clue that the Lord Jesus Christ would die for our sins.

As you, and others have been shown, chapter and verse, no one knew at that time that Christ was going to be put to death. The 11 were clueless. John the Baptist was clueless, witness his puzzlement that he was in prison, and his message to the Lord. "What the heck is happening?". He was expecting the warrior King Messiah, not a suffering servant. It was not until the Sanhedrin declared the Lord Jesus Christ's destruction(Mt. 12:32 KJV), that the Lord Jesus Christ revealed that He was going to die. Again, the 11 were clueless. Everyone was. The passover lamb did not represent "bearing sin," and a lamb was never the sin offering victim. Nor was it "the sin of the world" that the scapegoat bore away-it was the sins of Israel, per Lev. 16:21 KJV. The "bearing of the sin of the world" is not a reference to, a prophecy, pointing to Calvary, but a revelation of what the Lord Jesus Christ was during His earthly ministry. "taketh away"-taking up and carrying burdens, not a "sacrificial" term here.

His earthly ministry-sin bearer, in the sense of taking up and carrying burdens-his groans and tears at the grave of his friend Lazarus....He took up and bore the burden of human sin; not, during His earthly life as to guilt(that was not until Calvary), but as to sufferings and sorrows it brought upon all of mankind:

Is. 53:7 KJV
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

No sacrificial language is intended here, as slaughter merely means "shambles," as it foretold of the Christ's earthly life of "humbling Himself", and suffering.


Show us where the 12 ever knew about Christ's death, until it was revealed nearly 3 years after John 1:29 KJV. Show us. I showed you scripture that they had no idea. Peter tried to prevent the Lord's death.
 
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