Meet Caitlyn Jenner

[Granite]

showing that every profession has at least one quack in it

Well thank goodness psychiatrists never make mistakes.:chuckle:

 

[Lighthouse]

Somebody said that if a part of your body offends you, get rid of it. It won't keep you out of the kingdom.

Actually He said to do so if it causes you to sin.

 

[Tinark]

Well thank goodness psychiatrists never make mistakes.:chuckle:

And look at the guy's age, looks like he is approaching 90. Is it really surprising that CNS "News" (right wing propaganda site that makes Fox News look like outstanding journalism in comparison) was able to find someone with a quack opinion who grew up during an area where the acceptable practices he was taught in med school included lobotomy, insulin coma, shock therapy, among other backwards "treatments", where homosexuality was still in the closet, etc.?

 

[Tinark]

Wrong.

Here is what a psychiatrist has to say about it.

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

In short Transgender surgery is empowering mental illness instead of helping the person.

Argument from authority from some 90-year-old psychiatrist. How long did CNS "News" have to dig around to find this one psychiatrist that agrees with right-wing conservatives?

 

[HisServant]

And look at the guy's age, looks like he is approaching 90. Is it really surprising that CNS "News" (right wing propaganda site that makes Fox News look like outstanding journalism in comparison) was able to find someone with a quack opinion who grew up during an area where the acceptable practices he was taught in med school included lobotomy, insulin coma, shock therapy, among other backwards "treatments", where homosexuality was still in the closet, etc.?

The guy still have a license to practice... which makes him more credible than you right off the bat.

But then your approach is the same mud slinging against the messenger than dealing with the actual science that the left uses so frequently these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger

 

[Tinark]

The guy still have a license to practice... which makes him more credible than you right off the bat.

But then your approach is the same mud slinging against the messenger than dealing with the actual science that the left uses so frequently these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger

Right wing fundies love argument from authority when that authority agrees with them. It is the only form of argument they have when dozens of peer reviewed papers full of empirical evidence demonstrates that their ingrained biases have no basis in fact.

 

[HisServant]

Right wing fundies love argument from authority when that authority agrees with them. It is the only form of argument they have when dozens of peer reviewed papers demonstrate the opposite.

Well... lets see them.

Left wingers always say the same thing and then cannot produce anything better.

 

[TracerBullet]

Well thank goodness psychiatrists never make mistakes.:chuckle:

professionals admit it when they do and work to make changes so it won't happen again

 

[john w]

If he entered the next summer Olympics, do you think he could compete in both men's, and women's events? The "Bi-athalon," perhaps?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

If he entered the next summer Olympics, do you think he could compete in both men's, and women's events? The "Bi-athalon," perhaps?

"She" hurt her back bowling, and now everything "she" eats lays on her chest.

 

[Tinark]

Well... lets see them.

Left wingers always say the same thing and then cannot produce anything better.

The Effects of Hormonal Gender Affirmation Treatment on Mental Health in Female-to-Male Transsexuals

Hormonal interventions are an often-sought option for transgender individuals seeking to medically transition to an authentic gender. Current literature stresses that the effects and associated risks of hormone regimens should be monitored and well understood by health care providers (Feldman & Bockting, 2003). However, the positive psychological effects following hormone replacement therapy as a gender affirming treatment have not been adequately researched. This study examined the relationship of hormone replacement therapy, specifically testosterone, with various mental health outcomes in an Internet sample of more than 400 self-identified female-to-male transsexuals. Results of the study indicate that female-to-male transsexuals who receive testosterone have lower levels of depression, anxiety, and stress, and higher levels of social support and health related quality of life. Testosterone use was not related to problems with drugs, alcohol, or suicidality. Overall findings provide clear evidence that HRT is associated with improved mental health outcomes in female-to-male transsexuals.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19359705.2011.581195

Satisfaction With Male-to-Female Gender Reassignment Surgery

Results

119 (46.9%) of the patients filled out and returned the questionnaires, at a mean of 5.05 years after surgery (standard deviation 1.61 years, range 1–7 years). 90.2% said their expectations for life as a woman were fulfilled postoperatively. 85.4% saw themselves as women. 61.2% were satisfied, and 26.2% very satisfied, with their outward appearance as a woman; 37.6% were satisfied, and 34.4% very satisfied, with the functional outcome. 65.7% said they were satisfied with their life as it is now.

Conclusion

The very high rates of subjective satisfaction and the surgical outcomes indicate that gender reassignment surgery is beneficial.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4261554/

Factors associated with satisfaction or regret following male-to-female sex reassignment surgery.

This study examined factors associated with satisfaction or regret following sex reassignment surgery (SRS) in 232 male-to-female transsexuals operated on between 1994 and 2000 by one surgeon using a consistent technique. Participants, all of whom were at least 1-year postoperative, completed a written questionnaire concerning their experiences and attitudes. Participants reported overwhelmingly that they were happy with their SRS results and that SRS had greatly improved the quality of their lives. None reported outright regret and only a few expressed even occasional regret. Dissatisfaction was most strongly associated with unsatisfactory physical and functional results of surgery. Most indicators of transsexual typology, such as age at surgery, previous marriage or parenthood, and sexual orientation, were not significantly associated with subjective outcomes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892

Hormonal therapy and sex reassignment: a systematic review and meta-analysis of quality of life and psychosocial outcomes

Results  We identified 28 eligible studies. These studies enrolled 1833 participants with GID (1093 male-to-female, 801 female-to-male) who underwent sex reassignment that included hormonal therapies. All the studies were observational and most lacked controls. Pooling across studies shows that after sex reassignment, 80% of individuals with GID reported significant improvement in gender dysphoria (95% CI = 68–89%; 8 studies; I2 = 82%); 78% reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms (95% CI = 56–94%; 7 studies; I2 = 86%); 80% reported significant improvement in quality of life (95% CI = 72–88%; 16 studies; I2 = 78%); and 72% reported significant improvement in sexual function (95% CI = 60–81%; 15 studies; I2 = 78%).

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x/full

A Five-Year Follow-Up Study of Swedish Adults with Gender
Identity Disorder

Patients’ Evaluation of Global Outcome

In Table 2, it is also evident that the patients’ own assessments
of global outcome were more positive than the clinicians’.
Forty (95%) patients rated themselves as improved
and only two viewed the outcome as negative. None of the
patients who were still in the process rated the outcome as
negative thus far. Also, those five who had interrupted the SR
process seemed to be content with their decision to do so.

...

Table
4 shows that the patients were extremely satisfied with the SR process as a whole, with no differences between the sexes. As many as 95.2% of the patients (40 out of 42) were satisfied. Two (one MF and one FM) were dissatisfied because of shortcomings in the genital surgery

https://www.skane.se/Upload/Webbplatser/USIL/Dokument/Sjukhusbibliotek/Johansson, Annika.pdf

 

[john w]

"She" hurt her back bowling, and now everything "she" eats lays on her chest.

You kidder, you. Do you think it could beat the late Bobby Riggs, in his prime?

 

[HisServant]

You only cite short term results....

Here is a link to an article by Dr. McHugh, former psychiatrist in chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital. Where he talks about John's Hopkins stopping SRS a while ago.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

The most interesting paragraphs are these.

We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.

It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

There also need to be some long term studies about the effects of hormone therapies. I suspect they will fall in line with other studies done on the same hormones. I think you will see a large increase in heart attacks, strokes, senility and various cancers by such prolonged use these drugs.

 

[Tinark]

You only cite short term results....

Here is a link to an article by Dr. McHugh, former psychiatrist in chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital. Where he talks about John's Hopkins stopping SRS a while ago.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

The most interesting paragraphs are these.



There also need to be some long term studies about the effects of hormone therapies. I suspect they will fall in line with other studies done on the same hormones. I think you will see a large increase in heart attacks, strokes, senility and various cancers by such prolonged use these drugs.

What a load of crap. I looked up that study:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

Why in the world would the comparison group be the general population and _not_ transgender individuals who were considering going through sex reassignment surgery and didn't vs. those who did? Even then, it still wouldn't be a proper control group as those who choose to go through with the surgery are very plausibly those who experience the most extreme cases of gender dysphoria.

Furthermore, even the study admits it alleviates gender dysphoria but that there is still more work to be done post surgery. It does _not_ conclude that the reassignment surgery has no positive effects, just that the surgery, _by itself_, is insufficient as treatment.

 

[HisServant]

What a load of crap. I looked up that study:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885



Why in the world would the comparison group be the general population and _not_ transgender individuals who were considering going through sex reassignment surgery and didn't vs. those who did? Even then, it still wouldn't be a proper control group as those who choose to go through with the surgery are very plausibly those who experience the most extreme cases of gender dysphoria.

Furthermore, even the study admits it alleviates gender dysphoria but that there is still more work to be done post surgery. It does _not_ conclude that the reassignment surgery has no positive effects, just that the surgery, _by itself_, is insufficient as treatment.

So Johns Hopkins is a crap institution?... because it doesn't conform to your progressive ideals?

 

[Tinark]

So Johns Hopkins is a crap institution?... because it doesn't conform to your progressive ideals?

The article wasn't written by Johns Hopkins but rather the same quack individual cited previously.

Yes, he was the head of Johns Hopkins for several years, and his biases lead him to remove gender reassignment surgery from that organization. That is STILL an argument from authority, that one guy with a bug up his butt about this form of treatment in a position of influence does NOT mean his opinion on the matter is valid, especially when it contradicts the empirical research, including the very journal article he cites in his WSJ article.

 

[HisServant]

The article wasn't written by Johns Hopkins but rather the same quack individual cited previously.

Yes, he was the head of Johns Hopkins for several years, and his biases lead him to remove gender reassignment surgery from that organization. That is STILL an argument from authority, that one guy with a bug up his butt about this form of treatment in a position of influence does NOT mean his opinion on the matter is valid, especially when it contradicts the empirical research, including the very journal article he cites in his WSJ article.

It depends on how you read that research... when I read it all, my opinion lines up with his (and many others)... you read it a different way.. why is that?

 

[Tinark]

It depends on how you read that research... when I read it all, my opinion lines up with his (and many others)... you read it a different way.. why is that?

Did you read the parts I bolded in all those articles I cited? Even that 2011 journal article discussed by McHughes concluded that gender reassignment surgery has the benefit of reducing gender dysphoria but that more treatment needs to be done _after_ the surgery due to other issues that are still a problem. It did not claim that the surgery had no benefits. It did not recommend against surgery.

Surely McHughes as some serious comprehension abilities when he uses that very article to claim that gender reassignment surgery shouldn't be performed, when it supported nothing of the sort.

How does your opinion line up with those facts? Lay out your case using the best empirical research to support it, please.

 

[Quetzal]

Funny, when a liberal posts five sources that share a similar thesis, they are full of holes and aren't credible. But when a conservative posts one with little support documentation, all of a sudden it's an air tight argument.

 

[HisServant]

would you like me to post more?

Also, the guy cherry picked those 5 sources for only things that supported their assertions in spite of there being a lot of gray areas in those studies that do not support his position.

In other words, he was taking a page from the climate change deniers handbook to prove his point.