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john w

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Getting names wrong is also your tradition yes?

Drinking again, with this incoherent grunt?
What you recognize interests me not at all...

Thanks for the compliment! Had what I said interested you, I would have "checked my guns," for the TOL audience is not interested in you, and your snorts. My evidence:?

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as you were completely WRONG about Jesus telling JUST ONE flock to sell ALL...got it...

And not ALL of the flock did so...meaning it was not a general commandment for ALL His followers to sell EVERYTHING...so you were completely WRONG about Jesus telling MORE than ye flock...
Acts 2:44-45 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (2:45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.

something Zionists will not need to fear as they are working for the beast...
False claims is all that you know how to make.
 

john w

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as you were completely WRONG about Jesus telling JUST ONE flock to sell ALL...got it...

And not ALL of the flock did so...meaning it was not a general commandment for ALL His followers to sell EVERYTHING...so you were completely WRONG about Jesus telling MORE than ye flock...

something Zionists will not need to fear as they are working for the beast...

Made up, from this biblical illiterate, as all he/she does is assert/pound the podium, declare "victory," and return to "Well, this is what I was taught by others, so I don't need to Acts 17:11 KJV it, or study the bible, and its details" echo chamber, not once laying it out for us, with the scriptures. In contrast, bible students, such as myelf, in brilliance,, and humility,do. To wit...


The Lord Jesus Christ commanded his disciples to sell all:

Command given: Mt. 19:21 KJV, Mk. 10:21 KJV, ;Luke 12:33 KJV, 18:22 KJV
Command obeyed: Mt. 19:27 KJV;Mk. 10:28 KJV;Luke 5:11KJV, 18:28 KJV, Acts 2:44-45 KJV,4:32-34 KJV

Penalty for disobedience-death-Acts 5:1-11 KJV

Do you have "...all things common...": Acts 2:44 KJV, 4:32-34 KJV , Acts 3:6 KJV?

Well?


"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46 KJV


Have you sold all your possessions? This is one of the commands of the Lord Jesus Christ, in simple, 6th grade English, Jethro:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." Matthew 19:21 KJV

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth." Luke 12:32-33 KJV

("Extra credit" on this test! Please elaborate as to why you do or "do not the things" of giving alms, since obviously the body of Christ is being addressed here-"little flock"=the body of Christ.)

"Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." Luke 18:22 KJV

Read it-"sell all that thou hast,"

Any answer along the lines of "He really did not mean that literally- He was merely ONLY attempting to teach/convey a spiritual truth", or, "that was before the cross and the resurrection", will be "red marked" as incorrect, and "non responsive/incomplete", for the disciples did exactly what the Lord Jesus Christ said, both before and after the death, burial, and resurrection:

"before"

"Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?" Matthew 19:27 KJV

Read it-"we have forsaken all,"

"Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee." Mark 10:28 KJV

"Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee." Luke 18:28 KJV

Read it-"we have left all"

"after"

"And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need." Acts 2:44 KJV , Acts 2:45 KJV

Read it-"all things in common"

"Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk." Acts 3:6 KJV

That is why Peter said "Silver and gold have I none;"-he sold it all, per direct orders, from the Commander In Chief, the Lord Jesus Christ, the reason being in the context of the impending(at that time) "Great Trib."

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 4:32-35 KJV

Read it-"all things in common"/They sold their homes, land.
Communism, folks. Anyone doing that today? I thought so. Watch the upcoming spin.....Watch.



(PS: "Extra credit" on this test! Provide your analysis as to the merits of communism, i.e., "...all things common..." vs. "free enterprise"/"capitalism", per Acts 11:29 KJV ,"every man according to his ability...", " today. And we must "leave out "

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8 KJV

since, obviously Paul had not read the previous cited scriptures. Why Paul?!)

Penalty for disobedience:death-Acts 5:1-11 KJV, per Numbers 15:29-31 KJV :

"Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them. But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him."

I expect each and every believer to "Produce your cause......bring forth your strong reasons...", as to why you do obey these commands, or, conversely, why you "....do not do the things which I say..."(Luke 6:46 KJV). If you do obey these commands, I would at least respect your intellectual honesty, and your consistency.

As Elijah of old demanded, and I likewise demand: "...How long halt ye between two opinions?..." (1 Kings 18:21 KJV)

And I do not expect "....And the people answered him not a word...." (1 Kings 18:21 KJV)
something Zionists will not need to fear as they are working for the beast

And Jew haters, antisemites, such as yourself, work for your pappy devil, "destroy the seed," and await the lake of fire, your eternal destination, as God the Father, and His Christ, punt you there, for flipping the bird, at His chosen nation for service, Israel-His glory.

Sssssssssssssssss...
 
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God's Truth

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Because they are JUSTIFIED, not because they suddenly became perfect in their actions.

Tell us all why the man is handed to Satan so that his spirit may be saved.

1 Corinthians 5:5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
 

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Tell us all why the man is handed to Satan so that his spirit may be saved.

1 Corinthians 5:5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
You are like so much of the world. You think that if you're "good" you go to heaven and if you're "bad" you go to hell.

What is a passing grade?
 

God's Truth

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GT I didn't say any of this!

You give room for false doctrines. I explained what dead in sins means. It was about the Gentiles not having the blood of animals to atone for their souls and the Jews did.

Calvinists, Lutherans, and many others believe we can do nothing to get saved, and their misunderstanding is amplified because they do not understand what dead in sins means.
 

clefty

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Acts 2:44-45 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (2:45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.
having all things in common is still having things...parting them to all men as they had need lasted longer than a few hours...or the time it would take to rid all property and possession to others and be homeless and naked


False claims is all that you know how to make.

Time will tell...
 

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having all things in common is still having things...parting them to all men as they had need lasted longer than a few hours...or the time it would take to rid all property and possession to others and be homeless and naked
The ALL SOLD ALL of their possessions and goods.

Your illogical logic is FALSE.
 

God's Truth

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Acts 2:44-45 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (2:45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.


The people were not commanded to do this, they wanted to do this.

Read this, it is during the same time:


Ananias and Sapphira

Acts 5:5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”


Peter says that the LAND BELONGED TO HIM TO DO WITH IT WHAT HE WANTED. Then, after the LAND was sold---the MONEY from the land was HIS TO DO WHAT HE WANTED WITH IT.

Ananias' sin is not that he kept money, but that he LIED about it.
 

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The people were not commanded to do this, they wanted to do this.
These people were:

Luke 12:32-33 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:32) Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. (12:33) Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

You do not understand what Peter told Ananias.
 

God's Truth

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Oh, so all those marines, navy men, army men, and air force men were/are all expendable? They didn't deserve to live good long lives with their families? It's OK that they didn't get to live and others did? What sense is there in that? Every one of those soldiers should have been allowed to LIVE. I don't agree that soldiers are just necessary collateral so that other people can live and enjoy their lives. The millions of soldiers that have died should have been allowed to live their lives. But the powers-that-be had their own selfish agenda and sent people off to be put in harm's way so that some old rich stuffed shirts could maintain control and gain more wealth. That is unconscionable. I say, LET EVERYONE LIVE.

If we did not have a military, other countries would have taken us over a long time ago.

Would you like to live in an Islamic country?
 

God's Truth

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These people were:

Luke 12:32-33 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:32) Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. (12:33) Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

You do not understand what Peter told Ananias.

You are trying to nullify scripture with scripture.

Address the scripture I gave you and the explanation.
 

God's Truth

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Because they are JUSTIFIED, not because they suddenly became perfect in their actions.

You are like so much of the world. You think that if you're "good" you go to heaven and if you're "bad" you go to hell.

What is a passing grade?

Tell us all why the man is handed to Satan so that his spirit may be saved.

1 Corinthians 5:5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
 

clefty

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Made up, from this biblical illiterate, as all he/she does is assert/pound the podium, declare "victory," and return to "Well, this is what I was taught by others, so I don't need to Acts 17:11 KJV it, or study the bible, and its details" echo chamber, not once laying it out for us, with the scriptures. In contrast, bible students, such as myelf, in brilliance,, and humility,do. To wit...


The Lord Jesus Christ commanded his disciples to sell all:

Command given: Mt. 19:21 KJV, Mk. 10:21 KJV, ;Luke 12:33 KJV, 18:22 KJV
Command obeyed: Mt. 19:27 KJV;Mk. 10:28 KJV;Luke 5:11KJV, 18:28 KJV, Acts 2:44-45 KJV,4:32-34 KJV

Penalty for disobedience-death-Acts 5:1-11 KJV

Do you have "...all things common...": Acts 2:44 KJV, 4:32-34 KJV , Acts 3:6 KJV?

Well?


"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46 KJV


Have you sold all your possessions? This is one of the commands of the Lord Jesus Christ, in simple, 6th grade English, Jethro:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." Matthew 19:21 KJV

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth." Luke 12:32-33 KJV

("Extra credit" on this test! Please elaborate as to why you do or "do not the things" of giving alms, since obviously the body of Christ is being addressed here-"little flock"=the body of Christ.)

"Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." Luke 18:22 KJV

Read it-"sell all that thou hast,"

Any answer along the lines of "He really did not mean that literally- He was merely ONLY attempting to teach/convey a spiritual truth", or, "that was before the cross and the resurrection", will be "red marked" as incorrect, and "non responsive/incomplete", for the disciples did exactly what the Lord Jesus Christ said, both before and after the death, burial, and resurrection:

"before"

"Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?" Matthew 19:27 KJV

Read it-"we have forsaken all,"

"Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee." Mark 10:28 KJV

"Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee." Luke 18:28 KJV

Read it-"we have left all"

"after"

"And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need." Acts 2:44 KJV , Acts 2:45 KJV

Read it-"all things in common"

"Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk." Acts 3:6 KJV

That is why Peter said "Silver and gold have I none;"-he sold it all, per direct orders, from the Commander In Chief, the Lord Jesus Christ, the reason being in the context of the impending(at that time) "Great Trib."

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." Acts 4:32-35 KJV

Read it-"all things in common"/They sold their homes, land.
Communism, folks. Anyone doing that today? I thought so. Watch the upcoming spin.....Watch.



(PS: "Extra credit" on this test! Provide your analysis as to the merits of communism, i.e., "...all things common..." vs. "free enterprise"/"capitalism", per Acts 11:29 KJV ,"every man according to his ability...", " today. And we must "leave out "

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8 KJV

since, obviously Paul had not read the previous cited scriptures. Why Paul?!)

Penalty for disobedience:death-Acts 5:1-11 KJV, per Numbers 15:29-31 KJV :

"Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them. But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him."

I expect each and every believer to "Produce your cause......bring forth your strong reasons...", as to why you do obey these commands, or, conversely, why you "....do not do the things which I say..."(Luke 6:46 KJV). If you do obey these commands, I would at least respect your intellectual honesty, and your consistency.

As Elijah of old demanded, and I likewise demand: "...How long halt ye between two opinions?..." (1 Kings 18:21 KJV)

And I do not expect "....And the people answered him not a word...." (1 Kings 18:21 KJV)


And Jew haters, antisemites, such as yourself, work for your pappy devil, "destroy the seed," and await the lake of fire, your eternal destination, as God the Father, and His Christ, punt you there, for flipping the bird, at His chosen nation for service, Israel-His glory.

Sssssssssssssssss...

Oh my

a big pile of rocks over me right now...being stoned for not having joined your homeless naked commune...

Burnt to a crisp for the heresy of even having sandals to dust off of you...



Btw- Ananias and his wife died realizing they lied to the Holy Spirit...they were not killed for having property...
 

john w

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Oh my

a big pile of rocks over me right now...being stoned for not having joined your homeless naked commune...

Burnt to a crisp for the heresy of even having sandals to dust off of you...



Btw- Ananias and his wife died realizing they lied to the Holy Spirit...they were not killed for having property...

Wow, more scripture from you, connecting the dots, eh, Dora? No, just sound bytes, "that is just your opinion...," grunts, snorts, "Teen Talk," emotional spewing forth of sulfur....


Weighty.
Btw- Ananias and his wife died realizing they lied to the Holy Spirit...they were not killed for having property..

They were wacked for both, moron. And, let's say, "for the sake of argument," they were.


Go on record, and tell us why this does not happen today, and why you/others do not sell all they have, today, and have all things in common, today-Communism. Sell all you have. Go ahead. MAD proponents have a rational, reasonable, explanation. What is your? Scripture, punk-lay it out for us, instead of spamming "BTW..IMO..."

Watch the "Well, it was figurative, you see, uh, urr....," or some other spin/smoke screen. Watch.

Take your seat, drone. You're not in my weight class.
 

God's Truth

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These people were:

Luke 12:32-33 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:32) Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. (12:33) Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Jesus came and had an earthly ministry, he was laying the foundation.

Many came with Jesus and joined his earthly ministry.

THEY had to give up what they had to travel with him.

Jesus does NOT tell all to sell their homes.

Jesus was not trying to make all homeless.

What then about the poor if they too had to give away all they had?!

To whom then is anything given and how do you think the poor can obey?

What you say is unreasonable.

The foundation was being laid and the people who helped lay it had to travel with him and give up all they had.

We are not to put anything above God, but that is a far cry from telling everyone they had to be homeless.

Jesus said his teachings are not burdensome, but I am sorry to say people who say Jesus wants everyone to give away their home and money have made Jesus’ teachings burdensome.

Obey Jesus then you will get understanding.
 

clefty

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The ALL SOLD ALL of their possessions and goods.

Your illogical logic is FALSE.

Acts 2:44-45 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (2:45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.

Notice they had all things common...in other words, all they had was theirs in common

That is not the same as getting rid of all property by giving it away to those in need...

Just like giving alms is not giving everything away...at all...certainly not at once
 
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