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Isn't it funny that they think that we believe that there are TWO gospels?
ECT MADists don't follow Paul
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That he is.
Interplanner
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When you can think of what to say, you put on an icon. You need to knock it off and figure out what you mean.
You don't do grammar yet the Bible is some 1400 pages on average. How do not do grammar? This is a simple grammar question on which you don't even need Greek, but you may be interested to know that the Greek indicates 'case' by spellings of the same words, called declensions, like in Latin. So this kind of question is easier to sort out in Greek than English where you go by sense.
Can't you see for yourself from Peter in Acts 3 that the Gospel was one message from the beginning of the world? It is a thread here now.
Stop the icons; do your homework, or quit the matter.
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:chuckle:
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Matt 4:23 (TR)
(4:23) και περιηγεν ολην την γαλιλαιαν ο ιησους διδασκων εν ταις συναγωγαις αυτων και κηρυσσων το ευαγγελιον της βασιλειας και θεραπευων πασαν νοσον και πασαν μαλακιαν εν τω λαω
See how much easier that is?
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You still have to go by the sense. He didn't mean that the kingdom was good news; it turned out that a person could have a very rough time of it in the kingdom of God, right? There was a Gospel and it was part of or belonged to the kingdom (which also is supposed to be the 'reign' or 'dominion' and is supposed to be translated that way. It is not supposed to be in the category of a 'state' or 'nation.')
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Indeed, Those whose lives are abandoned to God, to be in union with Him, will comprise His Kingdom. Read John 17 to understand this.
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The gospel of the kingdom was most certainly good news (gospel == good new).
Mark 1:14-15 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:14) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, (1:15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
The good news OF the kingdom was THAT IT WAS AT HAND!
There was also good news IN the kingdom, as the kingdom would have NO sickness and everyone would get healed!
Matt 4:23 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:23) ¶ And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Matt 9:35 (AKJV/PCE)
(9:35) And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
That is ALL very GOOD NEWS!
ClimateSanity
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Bliggity popskicity per dugbunkery. Why can't you understand?
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"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."
Romans 14:17 (KJV)
Meant for NOW!
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The reason that you have problems is that you have rejected the Lords revelation regarding His dispensations.
Paul is NOT speaking of the kingdom of God in the SAME WAY as Jesus did when He was on the earth ministering to the circumcision (Rom 15:8).
The system which God had Israel under WHEN Jesus was on earth did have meats and drinks, etc.
Heb 9:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(9:10) [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.
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Get saved.
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Typical CR response.
I am saved and I would say the same to you.
Why don't you stick to addressing the comment and topic instead of making a stupid and insulting comment?
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It isn't worth it.
Interplanner
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RD,
the question was whether kingdom meant a geographic area or a period of rule. Also, it has been shown many times that there are a number of great side effects to the Gospel but that does not qualify them as the 'euangelion' about grace. Jesus did not offer a geographic area that would be 'millenial' and then withdraw it. He wasn't going to set one up. He did do signs and wonders to underwrite his authority, of course. But there are no 'side effects' that were the permanent intended target or display. Only the grace of God in forgiveness that was based on his sacrifice, his ransom for many.
It always was the Gospel that belongs to God's reign which began, but the content of the Gospel was not the reign.
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This is EXACTLY what WE Mid-Acts dispensationalists are saying. Thanks for confirming that!
BTW, the gospel of the kingdom AT HAND was about the kingdom that God promised to Israel, where the Messiah would sit on the throne and rule both Israel and in turn the world.
What a mess you make by smashing these things all together. You must have a massive blender!
Some basics for you (note, very highly generalized):
| Gospel of the kingdom | Kingdom of Israel with Christ reigning as King at hand, Gentiles will serve Israel and both will be blessed |
| Gospel of the grace of God | Salvation freely given to ALL regardless of status of any kind apart from Israel, was a mystery given to Paul |
First one related to things on the earth, the other to things in heaven.
Both will be brought together in the dispensation of the fullness of times.
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You had no legit reason for placing me on it.
Interplanner and their lot all think "the gospel" is the end all be all.
It is not. It is only the ticket to the game being played inside; where the stakes are way higher than just residents.
Inside, the stakes are real estate - who will reign over all creation, in the end.
Stakes the "one size fits all" gospel crowd, forever stuck in the milk of preschool that is this gospel of theirs, ever remains oblivious too, nowhere even near ready for the meat that is Mid-Acts.
It is not. It is only the ticket to the game being played inside; where the stakes are way higher than just residents.
Inside, the stakes are real estate - who will reign over all creation, in the end.
Stakes the "one size fits all" gospel crowd, forever stuck in the milk of preschool that is this gospel of theirs, ever remains oblivious too, nowhere even near ready for the meat that is Mid-Acts.