ECT MADists don't follow Paul
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Ephraim The Syrian (technically Pseudo Ephraim The Syrian) taught that Christians would escape the tribulation through death, not a "rapture".
The document Little Johnny W the Dance Director is referring to is "Sermon on the End of the World" by Pseudo Ephraim The Syrian.
The document was originally written in Syrian, then translated to Greek, then translated to Latin.
Dispensationalists use the Latin version which says the following:
"For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."
Now, in reading the above with no context, it does sound like pre-trib rapture doctrine.
However, when we look at the original Syrian version (Ephraim was Syrian, not Latin), we find the same passage says the following:
"Pronouncing the good fortune of the deceased Who had avoided the calamity: 'Blessed are you for you were borne away (to the grave) And hence you escaped from the afflictions!"
As we see above, Pseudo Ephraim The Syrian taught that the Christians would escape the tribulation by death.
Other passages in the document say the following:
"Then the Evil One will become enraged With the saints at that time; He will draw his terrible sword And sever the necks of the righteous ones."
"Nation will rise up against nation, And kingdom against kingdom. Lawlessness will be sovereign on earth And the defiled will pursue after the saints."
Does the above two statements sound like rapture doctrine? Does it sound Pre-Trib?
When Pseudo Ephraim The Syrian's document is read in its entirety, and in context, it is very easy to see that there is no trace of what Darby invented (the rapture).
Rapture adherents are so desperate for something to show the rapture heresy existed before Darby, they do desperate things.
Keep trying Little Johnny, but you won't find Darby's rapture before Darby invented it, no matter how hard you Darby Followers want to.
So, you admit that you follow the teachings of men, Preterist teachers, devilish one, after years of sophistry, deceit, in criticizing us meanie MADists, for "following the teachings of men, denying that you do/have?
Well, sweetie? Are you teaching here? Are you a man, wimp? Oh yes.....Craigie follows his Roman "pope," being the good closet Catholic that he is. Here is his own words, his admission:
"Yes Mr. Whalen, they were fallible men who invented dispensationalism just over 150 years ago.Mr. Whalen, you might want to ask yourself why you follow the teachings of these fallible men?"-Tet., the Preterist/Roman Catholic
"A secret parenthetical time period is a false theory made up by fallible men.”-Preterist con man “tetelestai,” AKA Craigie
"MAD is a false non-Biblical belief system that was made up by fallable men."-Preterist Craigee Tet.
"Yes Mr. Whalen, they were fallible men who invented dispensationalism just over 150 years ago.Mr. Whalen, you might want to ask yourself why you follow the teachings of these fallible men?"-Tet., the Preterist/Roman Catholic
Of course, the mutt follows the teachings of infallible men, such as the pope, right Wimpy?
More hypocrisy:
"Do the same with Preterism, and you won't find any consensus for one person."-Craigie
Vs.
"MAD cannot even agree on........................................."-Tettie, over, and over again, on TOL
Take a bow, actress.
More deception by the desperate Darby follower Little Johnny W the Dance Director.
First off, the quote you give above is from Treatise VII, which is called "On the Mortality". HERE
You should read the opening paragraph, it talks about the diseases and deaths that were taking place at that time.
The quote you gave, when taken in context, is referring to individuals who were getting sick and dying, NOT a rapture of the church.
Here is what the preceding verse of the quote you gave says:
" laying aside the fear of death, let us think on the immortality which follows. By this let us show ourselves to be what we believe, that we do not grieve over the departure of those dear to us (previous deaths), and that when the day of our summons shall arrive (we get deadly infection), we come without delay and without resistance to the Lord when He Himself calls us.”.
Again, the context is about disease, sickness, and dying, NOT a secret rapture of the church.
Also, whatever Dispensational website you got the quote from misquotes Cyprian. Your quote says "early departure", that is not correct, the correct document says "earlier departure", meaning getting sick and dying from disease earlier than planned, NOT a secret rapture of the church.
Little Johnny, you should really do some research before you blindly go to a Dispensational website and copy and paste something out of context to support your rapture heresy.
Like mystery boy, you're really embarrassing yourself.
did paul follow peter to rome?
TeT assumes everybody knows who Darby is. I never heard of
him before TeT mentioned him a couple of thousand times?
Is that what they told you after examining you?
You're a single that.
ClimateSanity
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People who are secure in their faith don't feel the need to root out a system of bible interpretation.
People who feel threatened when their favorite doctrines are undermined by a system of bible interpretation, go about with fevered passion to fill the internet with "factoids" and all manner of twisted logic to discredit it.
In other words, its not high on the dispensationalists priority list to discredit preterism. Plus, they have never seen the logic in the belief that newer ideas cannot be trusted, and so they never saw the need to find out just how new preterism is. If they ever got a spur under their saddle regarding the subject, I'm sure the birth of preterism could be tracked down.
journey
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You either can't read or you don't comprehend what you read. Regardless, you should try to read material that was written long before Darby was even born. Start with the Apostle Paul and what God's Word clearly teaches. Hint: God didn't need Darby to teach the Rapture.
Nope.
A lot of people have tried, so far no one has been able to.
Dispensationalism on the other hand can be 100% traced to John Nelson Darby only.
Good post. There's something seriously wrong with TeT. He's fixated
with this Darby fella?
I have, and there is no such thing as Darby's rapture taught in all of Christiandom before Darby invented it in the mid 1800's
I agree, the rubbish Darby taught isn't in the Bible.
God didn't teach a rapture. Darby invented it. It's a false teaching that Darby Followers such as yourself believe in.
whitestone
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what an admission,,,seems you would at least try to place it's beginnings in the church,,but as long as you agree.
ClimateSanity
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How would you know how many people have tried?
How is it that people can trace many ideas to before Darby?
MADists have a very hard time with Romans.
(Rom 1:8) First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world.
The Romans were "in Christ", and members of the Body of Christ before Paul wrote to them.
This causes a really big problem for MAD because they have two groups of people with two different gospels back in the first century.
Paul clearly taught the Romans what the MADists call "Body doctrine", but they were already in Christ before this, which means according to MAD they were in the "kingdom program".
MAD teaches that the people in the "kingdom program" didn't join the "Body program".
So, MAD has no explanation for what "program" the Romans were in before Paul wrote his letter to them and visited them.
Paul's epistle to the Romans singlehandedly proves MAD's two gospel theory wrong, as does the following single verse from Romans:
(Rom 16:7) Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.
That's my point.
Preterism can be traced all the way back to the early church by different men.
Unlike Dispensationalism that all begins with Darby in the mid 1800's, and has not one trace in the early church.