ECT MADists don't follow Paul

tetelestai

tetelestai

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musterion said:
Josephus said they were left standing. They were not destroyed in 70. That wall is still there, and that wall is made of stones upon stones. Give it up.
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What you quoted from Josephus said the three towers were left standing, it didn't say anything about a 62 foot high wall still standing.

You do realize you are now contradicting yourself?

You said:

Luke 19:41, 44 -- Christ says all of Jerusalem will be left with not one stone upon another.

Luke 21:5-6 -- Christ says the temple will be left with not one stone upon another.

Two different predictions.

The second happened.
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How was Luke 21:5-6 fulfilled if you are now claiming the Wailing Wall is still standing, and part of the temple?

That wall is still there, and that wall is made of stones upon stones.
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I know this is all probably really confusing to you because you keep changing your position like you have the last 24 hours. Like I said, you should really take some time and study before you make more embarrassing and contradictory posts.
 
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tetelestai said:
What you quoted from Josephus said the three towers were left standing, it didn't say anything about a 62 foot high wall still standing.

You do realize you are now contradicting yourself?

You said:



How was Luke 21:5-6 fulfilled if you are now claiming the Wailing Wall is still standing, and part of the temple?



I know this is all probably really confusing to you because you keep changing your position like you have the last 24 hours. Like I said, you should really take some time and study before you make more embarrassing and contradictory posts.
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So if you don't think the western retaining wall of the temple is enough to fulfill the fact that the temple was destroyed are you saying that you agree to both and they remain unfulfilled?,,,you disproved your self...
 
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tetelestai said:
All you're doing is proving what a fool you are.

You want us to believe that sometime in the yet future, there's going to be a third temple made entirely out of stones.

Then, some army is going to surround Jerusalem, a bunch of Christians are going to flee to the hills, then the army is going to destroy the temple and all the buildings of Jerusalem so bad that not one stone is left standing upon another. (even though most of the buildings in Jerusalem are made of steel, and have no stones in them)

BUT, don't forget, Jerusalem will have a wall around the entire city with a big gate that is the only way in and out of the city.

AND, in this new third temple, someone is going to stand in it and cause the abomination that causes desolation.

Like I said, you're a fool.
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Why is your rep power so low? I mean you've been on
TOL since 2007? Posters don't buy what you're selling or
what?
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
I wonder if TeT thinks the earth was destroyed in 70AD as well?
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
I wonder if TeT thinks the earth was destroyed in 70AD as well?
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Indeed they are in the trap as Jesus said to the Jews John 5:43-47 KJV that they would then receive another who comes in his own name. It would seem they would connect it with the beast and his name,that is they will not calculate it.

To the Jew they will not see Jesus again(second coming) until they say "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord..." Psalm 118:26 KJV , Matthew 23:39 KJV ,,which is the Achilles heel, and why is Luke 24:44 KJV and Psalms 118:26 KJV which is not yet fulfilled.

The Jew it seems will build them an city and the evil one will come and they will receive him as the Messiah and say to him "blessed is he..." and then discern their error and repent of it and say to Jesus blessed is he that commeth... and fulfill the scripture.

The preterits,their eschatology is most complete in this regard and so the same they are not looking for another. To them the next event is God so they will worship the beast,,,
 
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whitestone said:
Indeed they are in the trap as Jesus said to the Jews John 5:43-47 KJV that they would then receive another who comes in his own name. It would seem they would connect it with the beast and his name,that is they will not calculate it.

To the Jew they will not see Jesus again(second coming) until they say "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord..." Psalm 118:26 KJV , Matthew 23:39 KJV ,,which is the Achilles heel, and why is Luke 24:44 KJV and Psalms 118:26 KJV which is not yet fulfilled.

The Jew it seems will build them an city and the evil one will come and they will receive him as the Messiah and say to him "blessed is he..." and then discern their error and repent of it and say to Jesus blessed is he that commeth... and fulfill the scripture.

The preterits,their eschatology is most complete in this regard and so the same they are not looking for another. To them the next event is God so they will worship the beast,,,
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Interesting.
 
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DAN P said:
Hi and Matt 13:35 si " FROM / APO the foundation of the world BUT Eph 1:4 is " BEFORE /PRO " the foundation of the world !!

That means we were CHOSEN IN HIM before the creation and Israel was FROM the foundation of the world !!

The Body of Christ is FIRST , SORRY !!:chuckle::chuckle:


DAN P
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Well at least he's not into open theism. That's something.
 
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whitestone said:
Indeed they are in the trap as Jesus said to the Jews John 5:43-47 KJV that they would then receive another who comes in his own name. It would seem they would connect it with the beast and his name,that is they will not calculate it.

To the Jew they will not see Jesus again(second coming) until they say "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord..." Psalm 118:26 KJV , Matthew 23:39 KJV ,,which is the Achilles heel, and why is Luke 24:44 KJV and Psalms 118:26 KJV which is not yet fulfilled.

The Jew it seems will build them an city and the evil one will come and they will receive him as the Messiah and say to him "blessed is he..." and then discern their error and repent of it and say to Jesus blessed is he that commeth... and fulfill the scripture.

The preterits,their eschatology is most complete in this regard and so the same they are not looking for another. To them the next event is God so they will worship the beast,,,
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Gross already is
 
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Gross heard the gospel years ago but he never gave his life to Christ.

Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
Luk 14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Meanwhile, I found this over in the Theology Club where mad MAD people have retreated to avoid real questions:



Quote:
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“where is this in Church history?”
Rejected and largely lost in favor of the thoroughly Judaized, increasingly sacramentalist, works-driven, lifeless counterfeit more properly known as Christendom...and all exactly as foretold.


Danoh wants to sound like he has really plowed the depths of the NT and found that MAD truly is there, and that Paul had 'patterns of thought' like Darby and Nelson. He didn't really do any work, he just reinforced himself.

Musterion wrote the lines that start with "Rejected and ..." and went further and thinks he knows what Judaizing is. The odd thing is that we already know what it is by seeing what Paul was in conflict with, such as in Gal 3:17. He has used Judaizing in a sense that is anti-Catholic, but not in a sense that is authentic as to what was going on among the actual Judaizers of Paul's time.
 
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intojoy said:
JND baby!

Don't hate, participate
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It didn't exist if you mean there were two separate stages to Christ's return. If you meant there was one way for living believers to be translated to glory and another way for the dead, then yes, there were two ways but not at separate times. I Cor 15, Thess. All of this presumed that the 2nd coming would be right on the heels of the DofJ but a delay was allowed, and that is where we are now.
 
tetelestai

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whitestone said:
So if you don't think the western retaining wall of the temple is enough to fulfill the fact that the temple was destroyed are you saying that you agree to both and they remain unfulfilled?,,,you disproved your self...
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The prophecy was fulfilled.

The Western Wall the stands today was either part of the Roman Garrison called Fort Antonia, or was built after 70AD when some Jews tried to rebuild the temple.

If it wasn't part of Fort Antonia, it wasn't standing in 70AD.
 
tetelestai

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whitestone said:
To the Jew they will not see Jesus again(second coming) until they say "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord..." Psalm 118:26 KJV , Matthew 23:39 KJV ,,which is the Achilles heel
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First off, you Darby Followers don't even know what "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" means.

You guys think it's a future event when Jews of the future will one day all accept Jesus, and then all together at one time shout "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".

That's not what the saying means, and it's not what will happen.

Three of the seven feasts required pilgrimages to Jerusalem. When the Jews who lived away from Jerusalem would travel to the city, the Jews who lived in the city would line the streets and sing "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord". The line of this song is found in Psalm 118:26

(Psalm 118:26) Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
From the house of the Lord we bless you

Jesus told the Jews they would not see Him again until they said "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".

The next pilgrimage feast that was to occur after Jesus said what He said was Pentecost.
 
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