God's grace in undeserved by any of us.
Limited atonement !
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beloved57
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You cant blame God for doing good to only some. Matt 20:15
Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
beloved57
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Yes it, men dont believe because they are not of His Shee which He died for Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you
Jn 10:11
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Those He died for shall as a result be given Faith to believe. I have went over this on numerous occasions.
beloved57
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Aint nobodys fault. Men go to hell for their sins. God saves men by His underserved Grace.
beloved57
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Right. So Hes not at fault for witholding it from some.
Yet you put the blame squarely on Him, by saying that He chooses some to be saved but not others.
Again: What better excuse can you give an unbeliever for his refusal to believe than "My Creator never chose me to be saved"?
This is talking about the right to do what one wants with his own money.
It's not saying that God can be unjust.
No, it's not.
Because He chose for them not to be His sheep.
That's your position, no?
According to your position, ultimately the blame lies upon God for not making people His sheep, therefore they don't believe.
Nice prooftexting.
But those verses aren't talking about the Body of Christ, no matter how much you want to force them to.
blah blah.
Again: Scripture always puts belief before salvation. It NEVER puts salvation before belief.
Man goes to hell for the sins that their Creator predestined them to do, according to your position. That puts GOD at fault for their going to hell.
And he condemns men in injustice, according to your position.
I hope you know that the subject of the answer Jesus gave to the Pharisees was to them not believing Jesus was the Christ. (John 10:24)
That is quite a different topic than salvation.
You have misused an answer to one question for an entirely different question.
It will be God's fault, for withholding something necessary for belief.
But He doesn't do that...thanks be to God.
I serve a God who wants all men to be saved, not one who picks random "winners".
Do you call your doctrine the Salvation By Lottery?
God's grace is bestowed on all but only those who willingly receive the witness of the Holy Ghost will be saved.
If God created man to sin and lack any ability to call on God for forgiveness then God made men sinners without hope so He could burn them in wrathful anger forever. Thankfully, however, God did not do that.
beloved57
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Limited atonement is the blessed truth that God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ became incarnate in order to satisfy all the conditions of the salvation of God's elect, sheep, His Church and, thereby, acquire for them all grace here and all glory hereafter, an eternal redemption Heb 9:12. Christ's finished work, His bloody sacrifice of His sinless humanity upon the altar of His infinite Deity, was the culmination of His whole work of redemption. This included His incarnation, obedience, and death, as the Representative and Substitute for chosen sinners. He was obedient unto death, even the death of the cross Phil. 2:6-8. Christ's entire satisfaction, the merit of His whole work of mediation, is called the Righteousness of God. This is the only ground of salvation, and it is revealed in the Gospel to those it was specifically for, the elect Rom 1:16-17.Definitely , Christ's righteousness is the entire merit of His whole work of redemption. It was brought in and established by the obedience unto death which Christ Himself accomplished as a Substitute/Surety for His people. Rom 5:19 Christ's righteousness alone demands the salvation of every sinner whom He represented (God's elect).
Calvinism teaches that God made sinners to be destroyed for sin except for those He chose to save by having Jesus die for their sins only for reasons known only to God.
beloved57
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The complications one has when they deny limited atonement and insist Christ died for all without exception which is false:
First, if Christ's death is universal, in and of itself, it cannot be effectual to any of its objects unless you believe the equally false doctrine that all without exception shall be saved by Christs death, the heresy of universalism.
It logically means the sinner makes the supreme difference in heaven or hell instead of the atonement of Christ.
First, if Christ's death is universal, in and of itself, it cannot be effectual to any of its objects unless you believe the equally false doctrine that all without exception shall be saved by Christs death, the heresy of universalism.
It logically means the sinner makes the supreme difference in heaven or hell instead of the atonement of Christ.
God made salvation possible by faith and sinners make salvation personal by believing God by faith.
Non sequitur.
It does not logically/necessarily follow that because Christ's death is universal, therefore it must be universally effectual.
You are correct.
Man must turn from hurting God and neighbor in order to be saved.
That is what faith enables.
Now if you don't have faith, you will continue to grieve both.
No salvation in that choice.
beloved57
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Thats works salvation conditioned on man !
I agree, but not the "works" of the Law that Paul warned against.
You are misapplying a principal concerning circumcision and dietary law to everything we must do for salvation.
Every gift must have a receiver of the gift.
One gives and another receives.