Jews And Gentiles Same Goal

Squeaky

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For a guy who doesn't have ANY understanding, you sure are confident in your ignorance. :think:

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lolol Its my faith in the Holy Spirit and the Word that He supplies me with. Of course you wouldnt know about that.

[Jhn 14:26
[26] "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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lolol Its my faith in the Holy Spirit and the Word that He supplies me with. Of course you wouldnt know about that.

[Jhn 14:26
[26] "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Yikes, Squeaky, you sure are in a combative mood. Are you feeling a little, under the weather? :(
 

Squeaky

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Yeah, but then I wouldn't get the pleasure of annoying you. You're NOT exactly my favorite poster. Know what I mean? Probably not.

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lol So you intentionally try to annoy me and you get pleasure out of that. I dont know whether to apologize that I cant be annoyed because I have crucified my emotions or just feel sorry for you if your ignorance. You do have a demon though.
 

Squeaky

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Yikes, Squeaky, you sure are in a combative mood. Are you feeling a little, under the weather? :(

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lolol Your loosing it. Get a grip. Think about it, what in the world would be combative about posting a verse to clarify my statement?? Maybe you should go back and read it again. That just doesnt make any sense.
 

Rosenritter

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First of all, I can see why NOBODY has bothered to answer your questions. In a way, your questions sound as if they were made, tongue-in-cheek.' However, I'll attempt to answer your questions by combining the questions and putting the answer into a single cohesive answer.
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During Christ's earthly ministry, He and His Disciples preached the 'Kingdom Gospel' to the House of Israel. Jesus, in Matthew 15:24 states: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." The Kingdom Gospel was relating ONLY to the House of Israel, after all, they were God's, chosen people. They, and ONLY they were given the Law and were under the Law. The Gentiles were NEVER under the Law.

Jesus will return to earth someday, and rule over His Kingdom, and His people Israel while sitting on the throne of David. Remember that, Jesus and His Disciples preached the Kingdom Gospel to the House of Israel, (the Jews) only. Jesus told His Disciples: Matthew 10:5 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:" Therefore, the Kingdom Gospel was specifically meant for members of the House of Israel. Subsequently, sometime after the resurrection, Christ meets Saul of Tarsus (later to be called, Paul) on the road to Damascus It was Paul who was given the Gospel of the grace of God. Paul first went to the Jews with this New Gospel. This Gospel provided Salvation, forgiveness of sins, and eternal life by placing one's faith in Christ, and His death and resurrection.

The Jews rejected Paul's Gospel and Paul, henceforth, went to the Gentiles and became the Apostle to the Gentiles. He called this Gospel that he was preaching: "The Gospel of the grace of God." Today, this Gospel is preached to both Jew and Gentile alike. Those saved under this Gospel are called The Body of Christ. It's based on faith without works, by God's Grace alone. The benefits of this Gospel is: forgiveness of one's sins, the sealing and indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and eternal life. The member of the body of Christ is given the righteousness of Christ and is considered a Child of God. Jesus died for humanities sins and those who hear the Gospel of the grace of God, and place ALL their faith in Christ is cleansed of ALL their sins and therefore can be assured that they will inherit eternal life through the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ and His resurrection.


Hopefully, this will shed some light on your desire to know about the two different Gospels? If not, then, get the opinions of other posters, such as: Glorydaz, Tambora, Clete, JudgeRightly and Steko.


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Not a very direct answer, and interpreting that would require me to make assumptions or put words into your mouth. I broke down the question into some very strictly-defined scenarios, and if it seems that that is "tongue-in-cheek" maybe it's because the questions are designed to target possible flaws in the "two gospel" theory. Regardless, can you attempt to answer those questions directly?

I'll provide an example of why I want you to give the answers rather than for me to make assumptions. Based on what you said, the "gospel to the Jews" is worthless for eternal life and has no forgiveness of sins. You limited that benefit for the gospel to the Gentiles. Is that what you meant to say?
 

Rosenritter

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Jesus is the King of kings.To get to Jesus one must go through the three years of the milk understanding and the eleven years of the meat understanding to come to Jesus. The revelations of Jesus Christ.

You have a recipe book with a 3/11 ratio prescribed?
 

Squeaky

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You have a recipe book with a 3/11 ratio prescribed?

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Yes the milk and the meat understanding. The milk is atleast three years long. And the meat is at least eleven years long. Rather than fill up this thread, I will post a revelation on the milk understanding and a revelation on the meat understanding for you to look at. On the main board.
 

Jerry Shugart

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The practical application of the gospel was preaching wherever they went. You won't find any examples of what the disciples preached when they went from house to house, and according to your standard that meant they preached NOTHING.

So are you under the impression that when the Twelve were preaching a gospel in the following verse they were preaching the same gospel which is centered on the death of the Lord Jesus?:

"And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where"
(Lk.9:6).​

It is impossible that the gospel they preached there had anything at all to do with the Lord Jesus' death because at that time they didn't even know He was going to die, as witnessed by whsat we read later in the same book:

"And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them
, neither knew they the things which were spoken"
(Lk.18:33-34).​
 

Squeaky

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So are you under the impression that when the Twelve were preaching a gospel in the following verse they were preaching the same gospel which is centered on the death of the Lord Jesus?:

"And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where"
(Lk.9:6).​

It is impossible that the gospel they preached there had anything at all to do with the Lord Jesus' death because at that time they didn't even know He was going to die, as witnessed by whsat we read later in the same book:

"And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them
, neither knew they the things which were spoken"
(Lk.18:33-34).​

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I think you answered your own question. Jesus only gave them what they could handle at the time. Jesus only being with them three years He couldnt poor on to much it would have destroyed them. So Jesus fed them with what they could handle. That is why I keep sharing the new testament. Then when they received the Holy Spirit He expounded on what Jesus had started.

NEW WINE (THE VERSES) (KNOWLEDGE) Luke 5:37-39
37 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined.
38 "But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.
39 "And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, 'The old is better.'"
Mark 2:22
22 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine bursts the wineskins, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins."
Matt 9:17
17 "Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
1 Cor 8:1-2
1 Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
1 Cor 5:7-8
7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
John 15:14-15
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
15 "No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you.
Titus 1:10-11
10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.
1 Tim 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge--
21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.
2 Pet 2:3
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
1 Cor 2:1
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God.
1 Cor 2:4-8
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1 Cor 2:9-10
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
1 Cor 2:12-15
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
Gal 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Eph 3:3-5
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
(NKJ)

xxx The new wine is the revelations of Jesus Christ. And no one can receive the revelations of Jesus Christ until they have been born again. And no one can be born again until they have followed the Holy Spirit through the meat understanding. Crucifying their flesh with all their emotions. And no one can know the Holy Spirit until they have believed everything they read in the new testament. While in the milk understanding.



John 6:63-64
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 11:10-13
10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows!
12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
(NKJ)


1 Cor 3:2-3
2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
(NKJ)

Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)
 

Rosenritter

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So are you under the impression that when the Twelve were preaching a gospel in the following verse they were preaching the same gospel which is centered on the death of the Lord Jesus?:

"And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where"
(Lk.9:6).​

It is impossible that the gospel they preached there had anything at all to do with the Lord Jesus' death because at that time they didn't even know He was going to die, as witnessed by whsat we read later in the same book:

"And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them
, neither knew they the things which were spoken"
(Lk.18:33-34).​

Are you suggesting that the gospel is to be defined in a limited fashion by the specific elements used to preach the gospel? Repentance from sins was already proclaimed through the Passover and the sacrifices, in theory they understood the concept of the need for a Lamb, even if practical application showed that people can be pretty dense until they have some hindsight.

Yes, it is the same gospel that is centered on the death of the Lord Jesus... even if that element was not specifically preached in those houses at that time. If you don't understand how all of these elements interleave with each other as one gospel, I would say that you may not yet fully understand the gospel.

Now it's your choice as to how you respond. Those weren't meant as "fighting words" but there's plenty of people here who love nothing better than to fight. I won't name names. If you wish to respond constructively, then perhaps you can define both of your "two gospels" and I may be able to respond constructively from there.
 

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Are you suggesting that the gospel is to be defined in a limited fashion by the specific elements used to preach the gospel? Repentance from sins was already proclaimed through the Passover and the sacrifices, in theory they understood the concept of the need for a Lamb, even if practical application showed that people can be pretty dense until they have some hindsight.

Yes, it is the same gospel that is centered on the death of the Lord Jesus... even if that element was not specifically preached in those houses at that time. If you don't understand how all of these elements interleave with each other as one gospel, I would say that you may not yet fully understand the gospel.

Now it's your choice as to how you respond. Those weren't meant as "fighting words" but there's plenty of people here who love nothing better than to fight. I won't name names. If you wish to respond constructively, then perhaps you can define both of your "two gospels" and I may be able to respond constructively from there.

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I can see their deception. There calling the introduction to the kingdom of God a gospel. and it is just the beginning of the gospel. The starting point.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Squeaky said:

I can see their deception. There calling the introduction to the kingdom of God a gospel. and it is just the beginning of the gospel. The starting point.




Well, Squeaky couldn't recognize 'DECEPTION,' even if it flew in his eye like a Queen bee and started a Hive. :)
 
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