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[Nazaroo]

kayaker wants us to think that Jesus here in Revelation means
"the Shelanite Jews", descendants of the wrong line of Judah,
an impure bloodline, who are the real instigators of the Crucifixion:

"Iknow the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. " Rev. 2:9

But Jesus doesn't give us instructions on how to identify such
'impure bloodlines', through mixed lines of descent, or illegal marriages.

Nor does Jesus give us physical characteristics, like racial traits,
or unusual birthmarks.

Instead Jesus gives everyone, Jews and non-Jews, Christian and non-Christian,
a way to discover who is a "child of the devil (the Accuser)".

Jesus says, whoever sins, becomes a slave to sin. (Jn. 8:34-36, Rom. 6:16)

Jesus says, you shall know people by their fruits, i.e., their works.
Jesus says, you CAN identify false Jews, false Christians, and false Prophets
by one simple rule; Look at what they do.

False Prophets: "Beware of false prophets, ...Ye shall know them by their fruits..." (Matt. 7:15-20) False Believers: "Not everyone who calls 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven..." (Matt. 7:21-23) False Jews: "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly;" (Rom. 2:28)

That is, followers of Jesus are to categorize people, not by race or tribe,
but by behaviour plain and simple.

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

That's Odd...


=M=


: )

 

[Nazaroo]

Do I have the correct impression from you that Jesus could have just as easily been born of any ole virgin... Canaanite... Shelanite... It mattered to Ezra, my ole racist buddy, along with God and the gang.

Maybe it did matter to Ezra.
But Ezra is dead, and he left no genealogies that weren't destroyed by the Romans.

For the purpose of providing a Redeemer,
all that is required was a virgin birth.

Jesus, not being of the MALE line of Adam,
did not inherit in any way Adam's sin.
Jesus is the Second Adam.

The HEBREW records are priceless, Nazaroo... these precious records establish the unadulterated ancestral authenticity of Jesus, a Pharzite Jew.

These "Hebrew records" do nothing of the kind.

What records? You mean the made-up lineage in Matthew?
whereby he tries to make two groups of SEVENS into FOURTEEN generations,
by first deleting at least THREE GENERATIONS,
then MISCOUNTING by double-counting the Seventh as the Eighth generation?

Or perhaps you mean the lineage in Luke?
Which traces the wrong line(?),
or the lineage to the FATHER when
a mainstay of Christian doctrine is that
Joseph was NOT JESUS' FATHER?

And if we are accepting the anonymous "Matthew" as a 'witness',
when this is really a complete REWRITE of Luke's elaborate gospel,
along with "church additions" that justify the Roman Catholic Establishment...
where are we going, - are we to follow 'Cardinal' Newman
back into the Vatican?

Pass.

You have no reliable records for the geneaology of Jesus at all.
And if you claim you accept a 'virgin birth', then what should we do?
Trace his geneaology through Mary?

Every road leads back to Rome, namely the Jesuit conspiracy.

Maybe there actually WERE records for Jesus mother, or father, or even both,
in the Temple at the time of Christ:
But remember? Those were burnt to ashes along with ALL records
of the Jews in 70 A.D.

Good luck rummaging about the ancient garbage heaps the Roman army
left behind after the burning.

What is that you say? Without the lineage you have no Messiah?

Wrong. Jesus was the Messiah, not via some long lost scroll of lineage,
but by the Power of God witnessing to His message via miracle after miracle.

Jesus doesn't need your racial theories.

He's the Son of God.

 

[Nazaroo]

God made a particular promise to Cain in Genesis 4:15 KJV, and His promise was maintained in His inspired Book, OT + NT. The mark of Cain was simply and merely anonymity (think maternal ambiguity) surrounding Cain’s paternity, longevity, death (Genesis 4:23 KJV), and descendants (beyond Lamech’s children, Genesis 4:19, 20, 21, 22) in His Word. This absence hints at the mark of Cain: anonymity. Hence: Who’s ya mamma, “Abraham’s seed”?

You've outdone your previous idiocy here, Kayaker.

The "promise to Cain" wasn't a promise at all, just a warning to others.

And it is unbelievably absurd to suggest that Cain's mark was invisible.

The whole point of it was so that when people would come across him wandering,
that they wouldn't slay him as a stranger. So it had to be something
unique and obvious. I put it to you that it was exactly a mark on his
forehead, namely a cross or tau, just as mentioned in scriptures elsewhere
for similar purposes.

Even Charles Manson seems to have a better grasp of this passage than you.

God forbade racism in Genesis 4:15, 24 that you guys haven't figured out yet.

The Bible is indeed against racism,
but trying to use this scripture for that is absurd.


But even more arsinine is the idea that there would be a 'promise to Cain'
that would extend beyond Cain himself, to all his (non-existant) progeny.

God is a God of Justice, and would not impute the sin of a father onto
the son or daughter, and especially from generation to generation forever.

THAT 'God' is a false idol, as explained repeatedly in the most exhaustive way,
in Ezekiel chapter 18.

... He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live.But his father will die for his own sin, because he ...did what was wrong among his people. Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. ... Ezekiel 18:17-20

Given that the LORD God does not punish children for their father's sins,
but each man will be punished for his own sins,
it makes no sense to suggest that Cain's descendants were 'cursed'
or were more wicked sinners than any other children born anywhere
through any line of descendency.

Thus there is no 'wicked line of Cain' except in the metaphorical sense,
in the Spiritual sense,
in which ANYONE who acts like Cain is a 'child of Cain'
by classification and adoption.

Quit pressing racial theories onto Spiritual teachings.

 

[aikido7]

I like Hebrew's, but I do not like Jews. Jew is a curse word.
Pray we don't get Jewed again. The festivals and sin sacrifices have been done away with, along with the old priesthood.

Read world history and study certain parts. You can easily find out how fearful, ignorant people can do with those Jews you decry.

 

[Nazaroo]

‘Jesus was sent to save the world, not condemn it.’

Had Jesus made such explicit mention by name or ancestral title, Jesus would have usurped His Father’s authority (Matthew 24:36 KJV).

Therefore, we have to study to show ourselves approved before God.

Once again, your ignorance can be traced to an exact source.

The King James MISTRANSLATION of this Conditional Sentence
is one of the stupidest errors in the history of NT translation.

This passage was originally used to justify two doctrines:

(1) The separation of the Son and the Father,
by way of suggesting they had different amounts of knowledge
of the future. This attempt to improve the "Trinity" support
however completely contradicts plain teaching elsewhere in John's Gospel:
(Jn 16:30) and is not supported by a CAREFUL reading of Acts 1:7.


(2) That the 2nd Coming cannot be Known or predicted.
Again, while the cause here is laudible, and might have saved
many a cult's humiliation and embarrassment (e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses,
Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons..)
the fact is, the doctrine is FALSE,
being based on a mistranslation.

36Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης καὶ ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν, οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι τῶν οὐρανῶν οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱός, εἰ μὴ ὁ Πατὴρ μόνος. "But concerning that day and hour [the Last Days, Coming of Christ] No one knows, not even the angels in heavean, nor the Son, IF NOT the father only." That is, Not even the Son can know that hour, if the Only Father does not know it"

The phrase "The Only Father" is peculiar,
but not any different in import than "The Only Son" carries
in other passages of the NT.

Like all Hebraisms in Matthew and elsewhere, it makes for
awkward Greek and even more awkward English.

Early translators with little appreciation of "Biblical Greek",
which is a highly Hebraized form of Greek,
have mistaken the "monos" (an adjective modifying "the Father"),
as if it had the function of "only" in an English sentence,
i.e., limiting the scope of the verb (i.e, 'to know').
This is bad translation at its most stupid and dangerous.

But nothing can change the fact that this is not a flat unconditional statement,
but is rather a Conditional Sentence, depending upon the coordination
of two separate clauses by the connector "If Not".

We have written a whole grammar on Conditional Sentences,
and indeed the problems that translating them as UNCONDITIONAL flat statements causes for doctrine and meaning.

To fully understand the grammatical impact of conditional sentences,
especially in the New Testament, you can read several of our articles
here:

'ει μη' in John 8:1-11 - NOT a stylistic marker

And also here:
'ei mh' - Critique of Samuel Davidson's Internal arguments..


Call me when you actually understand
why this verse is a mistranslation.

 

[Nazaroo]

One's best behavior doesn't even hold a candle to the Light of the World (Mark 2:23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28).

Oh and by the way, your other example,
Mark 2:25-26 is also a horribly gaffed MISTRANSLATION.

The way the text reads in English,
it looks as if David broke the Law by eating bread that
was only lawful for the PRIESTS to eat.

But this is pure crap.

The bread was lawful for ANY descendant of Aaron to eat,
including non-priests, children, and women, at any age.

How else do you think the families of the Cohens (Priests) survived?

Now lets look at the Greek and fix this HUGE BONER:

καὶ οἱ Φαρισαῖοι ἔλεγον αὐτῷ, Ἴδε, τί ποιοῦσιν ἐν τοῖς σάββασιν ὃ οὐκ ἔξεστι; καὶ αὐτὸς ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς, Οὐδέποτε ἀνέγνωτε τί ἐποίησε Δαβίδ, ὅτε χρείαν ἔσχε καὶ ἐπείνασεν αὐτὸς καὶ οἱ μετ’ αὐτοῦ; Πῶς εἰσῆλθεν εἰς τὸν ο ἴκον τοῦ θεοῦ ἐπὶ Ἀβιάθαρ ἀρχιερέως, καὶ τοὺς ἄρτους τῆς προθέσεως ἔφαγεν, οὓς οὐκ ἔξεστιν φαγεῖν εἰ μὴ τοῖς ἱερεῦσιν, καὶ ἔδωκεν καὶ τοῖς σὺν αὐτῷ οὖσιν; Mark 2:24-26 "...How he [David] went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat even IF NOT (just) for the priests [only], and gave also to them which were with him?"

Both Jesus and the Priests and Pharisees knew it was perfectly lawful
for others besides the priests to eat the shewbread.

But it was still not lawful for DAVID to eat it, because
he and his friends weren't descendants of Aaron.

Duh.

Exactly the same translational error as found in your previous "PROOF TEXT".

Lesson for you:

Don't trust crappy translations or translators.
Go and master the languages you need to be an expert,
before announcing that you are one.

 

[CherubRam]

Read world history and study certain parts. You can easily find out how fearful, ignorant people can do with those Jews you decry.

The purpose of this thread is to show that the word (Jew is an abbreviation for (Judean,) therefore (Judean) is synonymous with the word (Jew.)
The word (Jew) is commonly used as a curse word by the people of the world.

Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse;(Jews) the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.

 

[kayaker]

Okay so unlike other fringers, you subscribe to the Slomo version:

The Sephardic Jews (the ones from Morocco, Spain, Portugal, Western Europe) are the real "Seed of Satan".

I’m unfamiliar with the “Slomo version”… but, somewhat document the position below, nonetheless. Cain’s descendants survived the flood: Matthew 23:29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, who killed Abel? John 8:44 KJV, John 8:47 KJV, Acts 7:51, 52, Luke 3:2, 7, 8, Rev 2:9, 3:9. Instead of being snuffed out, Cain was exiled to live a long life as a homeless, childless dude (Gen 4:12 KJV). Cain begged mercy (Gen 4:13 KJV), illustrating his understanding of this curse, pleading someone (Luke 3:38, 37-23) will find him out and kill him, even though Cain got ‘life in prison’: celibate, solitary confinement (Gen 4:14 KJV).

God mercifully and conditionally granted Cain parole under God’s ‘witness protection program,’ (anonymity). However, the condition God imposed upon Cain was IF he broke parole and procreated, Cain’s long lifespan would be limited to “sevenfold” generations (Gen 4:15 KJV). When Cain broke parole and sired Enoch in Nod (Gen 4:16, 17), Cain punched the clock on his “sevenfold” generation execution date (Gen 4:15 KJV), but not by Seth, et al, who were to remain bound by Cain’s anonymity during his now limited life of “sevenfold” generations.

Lamech, the “sevenfold” generation from Satan (Gen 3:15, 4:15, 17, 18) knew his children (Gen 4:20, 21, 22) would be exposed as the synagogue of Satan upon his death. Therefore, Lamech remorsefully exercised God’s 7th generational promise (Gen 4:15) executing his beloved great…grandfather Cain, a young man of those days (Gen 4:23 KJV): evidence of anonymity. Just like clockwork... You can count to seven? Knowing his own children were about to be exposed as the synagogue of Satan upon his death, Lamech thereby extended God’s veil of anonymity (a ‘veiled’ reward), the mark of Cain, for a total of “seventy and sevenfold” generations, inclusively (Gen 4:24 KJV).

God the Promise Keeper was sequestered by His own promise of anonymity to Cain through 7 generations ending with Lamech’s death: Lamech became the prophet for Almighty God appointing the inclusive “seventy and sevenfold” generation when the synagogue of Satan would be exposed (Luke 3:23-38), hence: John 8:44 KJV, John 8:47 KJV, Acts 7:51, 52, Luke 3:2, 7, 8, Rev 2:9, 3:9
That synagogue of Satan became manifest as Shelanites veiled in their substantially ambiguous ancestral claim, “we be Abraham’s seed” (John 8:33 KJV). The Shelanites were the non-ancestral ‘Jews’ who instigated the crucifixion (John 8:37 KJV, John 8:37 KJV, John 8:39 KJV, John 8:44 KJV) fulfilling Gen 3:14 KJV, Gen 3:15 KJV, although Jesus defeated death as He said in John 10:17, 18.

There are Ashkenazi Jews of Gentile origin (discussed again on the next post). There are the lost sheep Israelites Jews. And, there are Sephardic Jews: Shelanites, “we be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man” (John 8:33 KJV).

Cain’s Synagogue of Satan got about a 13-year head start (Seth’s approx. age) “multiplying on the face of the earth (building a city in Nod), and daughters were born unto them” (Gen 6:1 KJV). Cain’s ‘daughters’ of Satan were veiled in anonymity, as was Keturah, the great harlot, even Judah’s unnamed Canaanitess wife (1Chronicles 2:3), Queen Herodias… Thereby, the odds were stacked against the Kingdom of God via sons of Adam, “sons of God” (Luke 3:38) who were seduced by the “daughters of men,” namely daughters of Cain, veiled in anonymity (Gen 6:2 KJV). Hence: Gen 6:3 KJV, Gen 6:4 KJV, Gen 6:5 KJV, Gen 6:7 KJV. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord (Gen 6:8 KJV) also being “perfect in his generations” meaning ancestral integrity (Genesis 6:9 KJV).

Furthermore, as a reward for carrying out God’s sentence upon his beloved great… grandfather (Gen 4:23 KJV), Lamech secured a ticket for a cruise for only one of his children: Ham’s antediluvian pregnant wife (Gen 5:32, 6:1, 2), who I proffer was Lamech’s daughter, Naamah (Gen 4:22 KJV). Ham’s wife was the mother of Ham’s stepson Asshur (Gen 10:6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11) who had no explicitly identified father as did all those countless men in that chapter. Asshur was the ‘father’ of the Assyrians, and Ezekiel pinned the tail on that donkey in Eze 31:1, Eze 31:2 KJV, Eze 31:3 KJV, Eze 31:8 KJV, Eze 31:9 KJV.

On the other hand, Ham and his wife were both grandparents to Nimrod, indeed a mighty hunter before the Lord, not FOR the Lord (Gen 10:6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11). Nimrod’s prey via spiritual and flesh seduction were primarily the descendants of Japheth ‘father’ of the Gentiles, Gen 9:27, 10:2, 3, 4, Gen 10:5 KJV) discussed next:

kayaker

 

[kayaker]

Okay so unlike other fringers, you subscribe to the Slomo version:

The Sephardic Jews (the ones from Morocco, Spain, Portugal, Western Europe) are the real "Seed of Satan".

Unfortunately,

Unfortunately,

(a) 90% of modern Jewry is Ashkenazim. So unless you go to a Spanish rural farmhouse, you're not likely to run into your mythical "Shelanite Jew" (spawn of Satan) in the flesh.

You might search a Spanish rural farmhouse, LOL! I found the Shelanite ‘Jews’ unveiled in Scripture... just had to pin the tail on the duck: “We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man” (John 8:33 KJV). Btw, Jesus used the expression “synagogue of Satan,” even coincidentally used the labels “serpents” and “generation (CLUE) of vipers” who needed to “escape the damnation of hell” (Mat 23:33 KJV). You don’t suppose Jesus was talking to lost sheep there, do you? I’d bet that’d be a great flagrum in the arsenal of shame-based theology! You ever use that one, Nazaroo? Regardless, I like the way you’re thinking “(spawn of Satan)”. Cain broke parole (Gen 4:17 KJV), Nazaroo… that’s why his progeny were in danger of hell and damnation, as long as they kept their noses clean, but many didn’t (Matt 23:29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, Acts 7:51, 52). This explains near genocidal eradications of them even AFTER the flood, and only one got a ticket for a cruise then from the Promise Keeper.

Unfortunately, the mystery of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry is clouded by your ancestrally un-illuminated title, “Jew.” Nonetheless, I think your finding is heretofore, Biblically corroborated: The Ashkenazi “Jews” were actually Gentile descendants of Ashkenaz, son of Gomer, son of Japheth, ‘father’ of the Gentiles (Gen 9:27, 10:2, 3, 4, Gen 10:5 KJV). And, Nimrod became their spiritual leader inviting the Ashkenazi Gentiles into his spiritual Kingdom of Babel. Paul knew the Gentiles were descendants of Japheth who Noah honorably sanctioned to procreate among the Shemites (Gen 9:27 KJV).

Unlike Jesus’ disciples (Acts 4:13, 20), Paul (and Stephen, btw) was quite fluent in the Books of Moses. Paul’s explicit knowledge of the Gentiles is readily discerned through his observation in 1Corinthians 5:1 KJV. Paul was corroborating Gen 9:22, 23, Lev 18:8, 20:11, Deu 22:30, 27:20. But, I suspect you already dug this scripture out of some farmhouse in Spain. So, the Gentiles were NOT God’s outcast red-haired stepchildren like your Shelanite pals have led you to believe (Romans 2:14, 15). Hence: Paul was sent primarily to the Gentiles being many were long lost to Nimrod’s persuasion which evolved to what is known today as Talmudic Judaism: uninspired and unholy renderings of the OT.

(b) More importantly, Jesus didn't subscribe to or teach such a nonsensical racial/tribal origin for His own crucifixion, or the evil in the world.

Jesus was divinely and exquisitely sequestered from explicit condemnation that you’ve already testified to: Matthew 23:28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, John 8:15, 26, John 8:44 KJV, John 8:47, Rev 2:9, 3:9… simply connect the dots, if Matthew 24:36 KJV doesn’t work for you. If I may be so bold Nazaroo, you seriously underestimate the divine power of His spoken word. But, He could doodle in the dirt (John 8:6), speak indirectly using pronouns (John 8:44 KJV), and use non-ancestral identifiers like scribes and Pharisees (Rev 2:9, 3:9). Thanks for all those examples you provided, even though the lights are only flickering!

While doubtless there were many "racially" oriented Jews in Jesus' day, who shunned Samaritans (cf. John), who refused descendants of the Northern Tribes entrance to official Jewry (cf. Ezra), and who wanted to rebel against the yoke of Roman occupation (cf. Barrabas, Zealots), but who couldn't even get along amongst themselves (cf. Galilean behaviour in 6:15f).

Indeed, and Nicodemus was those mostly, if not all Shelanites you describe, also.

Yet Jesus consistently and steadfastly ignored Abrahamic claims

Even though sequestered, Jesus magnificently unveiled His detractors’ Abrahamic descent: John 8:33 KJV, John 8:37 KJV, John 8:39 KJV, affirming Moses in Genesis 25:4, 1, 2, 3, 38:2, 11, 12, 26, and affirming Ezra in 1Chronicles 4:1 excluding 1Chronicles 4:21, 22, who thereby corroborated Moses in Deu 7:1, 2, 3, exhibited by Ezra 9:1, 2, 7. In fact, Jesus took those specific Abrahamic descendants via Keturah all the way back to Gen 3:14, 15, as found in John 8:44 KJV, John 8:47 KJV, Matthew 23:28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, who killed Abel? As you suggested Nazaroo, Jesus KNEW who they were. And, we study to connect the dots, although I get the impression you can discern good and evil by folks’ behavior (Gen 3:4, Gen 3:5 KJV).

Yet Jesus consistently and steadfastly ignored Abrahamic claims for both Jews and Arabs (cf. John 8), exposed racism and ignored Israelite exclusivity and privilege (cf. Mark 7:24-29), even dismissed family ties (Mark 3:31-35) and family concerns (Luke 12:13), and put the blame for evil and misfortune and even damnation on one issue alone:

In Mark 7:24, 25, 26, 27, Jesus demonstrated his availability to those who were NOT lost sheep. Jesus hid Himself such that this undoubtedly influencial Syrophoenician woman had to seek Him out. She was from Sidon and Tyre which had been under the jurisdiction of Ethbaal, father of Jezebel (1Kings 16:31), wife of King Ahab. This mother was a royal brood mare from a ritual incest human puppy mill to those seeking reincarnation, with a daughter suffering seizures, therefrom. This non-Israelite mother had nothing to expect, risking her life and her daughter’s life conceived through incestuous fornication; and she was on today’s lunch menu among those sacrificial cannibals (Rev 2:20 KJV). Then, what made he faith so great?

You suggest Jesus “dismissed family ties” in Mark 3:31, 32, 33, 34, 35? Nothing could be further from the truth, Nazaroo. Consider Mark 7:10 KJV. We are spiritually closer to Jesus than our flesh family. In fact, if you needed a kidney transplant… Jesus could donate and you wouldn’t even need anti-rejection drugs.

You suggest Jesus “dismissed” “family concerns” in Luke 12:13. Consider the next verse, Luke 12:14, and reflect upon John 8:15. This brings us to every boohoo voodoo theologian’s most infamous, out-of-context quotes used as THE flagrum from the bullpits:

SIN:


Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, '
everyone who sins is a slave of sin.
... so
if the Son makes you free, you will be truly free....
of SIN." (John 8:34,36)

I intentionally left these verses out just for you, Nazaroo. I’ve presented the verses immediately prior and after, numerous times on this thread: John 8:33 KJV “…We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man…” Do you propose Jesus was talking to His believing lost sheep of the house of Israel who’d been in bondage in Egypt (John 8:30, John 8:31 KJV, John 8:32 KJV? I proffer Stephen was among His believers listening to Jesus’ dialogue with His Shelanite detractors, even Paul’s disciple Ananias. Jesus was talking directly to those Shelanite descendants of Cain plotting the crucifixion of an innocent Man, just like ‘their’ flesh father Cain (John 8:44 KJV) premeditated the murder of his innocent brother, and buried the evidence (Gen 4:8, 9, 10). I suspect you have a lot of redundant blood on your flagrum, Nazaroo.

and OBEDIENCE:


"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Matt. 7:21

For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Romans 2:13

I particularly appreciate your citing Paul, that’s really cute!
You don’t know who Jesus was talking to in your infamous, out of context, flogging verses; and now you’re going to suggest you know the will of the Father? I must admit you are one lofty fellow, Nazaroo. Does it lighten your burden of sin flogging others, hazing them into your shame-based plan of salvation? In all fairness, yours is an unfortunately all too common guilt-laden theology sponsoring salvation by Mosaic Law, a real Shelanite ‘Jewish’ sorta thing… after submitting to your brisk, authoritative flogging of course (Matthew 23:1 KJV, Mat 23:2 KJV, Mat 23:3 KJV, Mat 23:4 KJV). The only folk Jesus ever shamed were the arrogant Shelanites. Jesus took our shame to the cross, Nazaroo (Hebrews 12:1 KJV, Heb 12:2 KJV). That’s a great place to leave it! By HIS stripes was my shame healed Nazaroo (1Peter 2:24), not those incurred from that flagrum in your hand. I wish to leave these verses with you as Jesus concluded His discussion with His disciples on the end times:

Matthew 24:45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51.

I particularly bid you peace, Nazaroo… The pleasure is totally mine!

kayaker

PS: If you’re bipolar (aka manic-depressive)… you might not want to take just an anti-depressant. That will exacerbate your manic phase.

 

[Nazaroo]

PS: If you’re bipolar (aka manic-depressive)… you might not want to take just an anti-depressant. That will exacerbate your manic phase.

Only a Jesuit Dope Dealer and promoter of a Satanic Drug Cartel
would suggest taking poisonous drugs with known side-effects,
which are overprescribed by money-hungry atheists.

Jesuit Drug Lord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaHvqU24LKo

Thanks for exposing your real connections again.

 

[Nazaroo]

Cain’s Synagogue of Satan got about a 13-year head start (Seth’s approx. age) “multiplying on the face of the earth (building a city in Nod), and daughters were born unto them” (Gen 6:1 KJV). Cain’s ‘daughters’ of Satan were veiled in anonymity, as was Keturah, the great harlot, even Judah’s unnamed Canaanitess wife (1Chronicles 2:3), Queen Herodias… Thereby, the odds were stacked against the Kingdom of God via sons of Adam, “sons of God” (Luke 3:38) who were seduced by the “daughters of men,” namely daughters of Cain, veiled in anonymity (Gen 6:2 KJV). Hence: Gen 6:3 KJV, Gen 6:4 KJV, Gen 6:5 KJV, Gen 6:7 KJV. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord (Gen 6:8 KJV) also being “perfect in his generations” meaning ancestral integrity (Genesis 6:9 KJV).

Let me sum up your thesis here:


(1) The 'Synagogue of Satan' (Revelation) are the descendants of Cain (Genesis).

Therefore you deny the Universal Flood in which only 8 persons survived.

Are we rejecting Jude and 1st Peter too?

I insist you explain who didn't die in the Flood,
and why God would have failed to destroy the wicked
at that time, when that was the whole point of the Flood.



(2) With a mere '13 year' headstart, Cain outbred Seth!

Even though both lived for at least 900 years, and all things being equal,
Cain would have only had about 13 more kids at the most.. (!!...)

Also, why would God bless Cain with multitudinous progeny,
when God explicitly blesses GOOD GUYS with multitudinous progeny,
not BAD GUYS. Even animals of GOOD GUYS and CHOSEN LINES
are blessed with extra progeny, and promised to be fathers of
many nations. Not only promises, but fulfillments!
The reason the Pharoah wanted to kill Hebrew babies was
because they were MULTIPLYING FASTER than Egyptians.



(3) The "Sons of God" were not Angels, but Sethites(?),
and the "daughters of men" were non-chosen line Cainites(?).

Are you serious?

So the Nephilim (GIANTS) were just half-breeds between Seth/Shem
and Cain/Canaan?

No actual angels interbred with humans in the pre-flood genetic experiment?

So like the Sadducees you deny angels and the resurrection...

Just be clear, so people know just what doctrines we must embrace
alongside your racial theories, because we need to know
exactly what you're selling.

Whats popular with the Jesuit Cabal this week?

Maybe we should consult some of your handbooks,
like the (Masonic forgery) 6th and 7th Books of Moses,
which indeed look like they were drawn by people of your IQ...

They used to sell those in the back of comic books:

is that where you got your copy?

 

[Nazaroo]

(3) The "Sons of God" were not Angels, but Sethites(?),
and the "daughters of men" were non-chosen line Cainites(?).

Are you serious?

So the Nephilim (GIANTS) were just half-breeds between Seth/Shem
and Cain/Canaan?

No actual angels interbred with humans in the pre-flood genetic experiment?

So like the Sadducees you deny angels and the resurrection...

Just be clear, so people know just what doctrines we must embrace
alongside your racial theories, because we need to know
exactly what you're selling.

Whats popular with the Jesuit Cabal this week?

Maybe we should consult some of your handbooks,
like the (Masonic forgery) 6th and 7th Books of Moses,
which indeed look like they were drawn by people of your IQ...

...so, can we see a youtube video that elucidates your racial theory?

I can't believe you're just making this up.

But please no images of Seth/Cain bloodlines copulating.


Hopefully no angels were injured or tortured
in the making of your movie.

 

[Ben Masada]

I obviously don't subscribe to replacement theology.

(2) I don't take true Christianity to be based on Paul's pastoral nonsense.

(3) I do base Christianity on the gospels/Acts, and inclusive of letters like James, John, and Revelation.

Paul is cute, but not even essential to Christianity.

Any doctrine based on Paul alone will automatically be a loose plank
and a weak railing that I wouldn't let anyone lean on.

But if you subscribe to the NT, there is nothing you can do to avoid the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology.

What sect of Christianity would you consider true Christianity, the Catholic Church? The book of Acts is all about Paul. There is no way to get rid of Paul. To do so is to get rid of the NT all together.

 

[Ben Masada]

The mission of Judaism was to convert the people of the world to Judaism. As a parable, the term "Israel" and "Judah" can also mean "nation" and "faithful." We are under a New Covenant now, bringing back the Old Covenant would make Yahwah angry.

Originally Posted by CherubRam.
Forever, is forever, unless there should come a change.
The Old Covenant has been revoked. That means that circumcision is no longer required. The old priesthood has been replaced. Yahwah has stopped the festivals and sin sacrifices.

Zechariah 11:10
Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations.

Only that the New Covenant was established with the House of Israel and the House of Judah as one People only. (Jer. 31:31) That's what Ezekiel 37:22 means as one only kingdom; no more two nations.

 

[Ben Masada]

This is one of the oldest lies that the Judaists tell. They tell this lie that Judaism is the religion of the OT, the religion of the prophets and Jesus. It is not. Judaism is the pagan religion of the Pharisees that they invented in Babylon. Judaism has nothing to do with the Bible, except for the fact that they have hijacked Biblical terms and used them for the vile, racist Judaist religion. Jesus condemned the Pharisees. He didn't practice their false religion.

Further, if one believes in Jesus but not the Jesus of the NT, then they have created an image in their mind, because everything we know about Jesus comes from the NT. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life. But he that believeth not on the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Only 20% of the NT is about the real Jesus of Nazareth and coming from him. The greater part of it or 80% left is made up of anti-Jewish interpolations intent on the promotion of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. Your radical position against Israel is dangerous even to Jesus himself who said that salvation comes from the Jews. (John 4:22) And that the Jews are the light of the world. (Mat. 5:14)

 

[OCTOBER23]

Salvation comes from the Jews.

John 4:22 ...we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews
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BEN MASADA

Question: Do you Worship the LORD GOD of Abraham ?????

 

[Ben Masada]

Salvation comes from the Jews.

John 4:22 ...we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews
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BEN MASADA

Question: Do you Worship the LORD GOD of Abraham ?????

Yes, I do. What do you have in mind?

 

[Daniel1611]

Only 20% of the NT is about the real Jesus of Nazareth and coming from him. The greater part of it or 80% left is made up of anti-Jewish interpolations intent on the promotion of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. Your radical position against Israel is dangerous even to Jesus himself who said that salvation comes from the Jews. (John 4:22) And that the Jews are the light of the world. (Mat. 5:14)

1. Do share how you figured out that 20% of the NT is about the "real" Jesus.

2. Jesus did not say salvation comes from the Jews. He said salvation comes from Him. John 14:6

3. Jesus said He and His people are the light of the world. John 8:12, Matt 5:14

4. Jesus said the Jews who do not believe on him are condemned, and the wrath of God abideth on them. John 3:36

5. The country in the middle east today calling itself "Israel" is not the Biblical Israel. That country over there today calling itself "Israel" is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Rev 11:8

 

[kayaker]

The purpose of this thread is to show that the word (Jew is an abbreviation for (Judean,) therefore (Judean) is synonymous with the word (Jew.)
The word (Jew) is commonly used as a curse word by the people of the world.

Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse;(Jews) the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.

I am trying to understand better where you're coming from CherubRam. If you read my posts along... there are three predominate kinds of "Jews:"

1) Ashkenazi 'Jews' were, and are actually Gentiles: descendants of Japheth, son of Noah (Genesis 9:27, 10:2, 3, 4, Genesis 10:5 KJV). Please take note of the name Ashkenaz, son of Gomer (think Germany), son of Japheth, 'father' of the Gentiles. Therefore the Ashkenazi Gentiles, among all of Japheth’s descendants, branched away from the Shemites (and from other Gentile descendants of Japheth) with whom Noah sanctioned procreation in Genesis 9:27 KJV. There is no similar sanction for the Gentiles and Shemites to procreate with the ‘Hamites’ and/or Canaanites. In fact, Noah drew a line in the sand defining the boundary of the Land of Canaan where the ‘Hamites’ also lived. In other words, by default, Noah rebuked Gentile/Shemite relations with the ‘Hamite’/Canaanites. In fact, Noah’s default destined the Hamites/Canaanites to near exclusive first-degree incest and beyond. Nonetheless, Ashkenazi Gentiles became the target prey of Nimrod, the mighty hunter of souls so to speak, grandson of Ham and his wife (Genesis 10:6, 7, 8, 9, 10). I proffer Ham’s wife was Naamah (Genesis 4:22 KJV), the daughter of Lamech, great… grandson of Cain (Genesis 4:17, 18, 19). Thereby, one of Cain’s descendants got a ticket for a cruise: Ham’s wife. She was granted a boat pass being Lamech carried out God’s ‘veiled’ execution of Cain (Genesis 4:23 KJV) to extend the mark of Cain for Lamech’s children and descendants for a total of “seventy and sevenfold” generations from God (Genesis 4:24 KJV, Luke 3:38-23). Lamech was fulfilling God’s promise to Cain in Genesis 4:15 since Cain broke parole (celibacy) and sired Enoch (Genesis 4:17, 18, 19). For services rendered, Lamech thereby secured a pass for his daughter, wife of Ham.

Ashkenazi Gentile descendants of Japheth, son of Noah, became seduced in flesh and spirit subscribing to what is known today as Talmudic Judaism. The Talmud reports Ham sodomized and castrated Noah. Therefore, Ham’s SON Cush was allegedly “smitten” with “black skin” speaking of racism, a father’s consequence of sin being passed from father to son. The Gentile – ‘Hamite’ ancestral corruption was a prelude to the analogous Shemite/Hebrew/Israelite corruption found in Ezra 9:1, 2, 7, that Moses forbade in Deuteronomy 7:1, 2, 3. The Gentile – ‘Hamite’ ancestral corruption was a reflection of antediluvian events (Genesis 6:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6). Ezra, God’s ‘second law-giver,’ rebuked: a.) Abraham’s marriage to Keturah, b.) Judah’s marriage to Keturah’s Canaanitess granddaughter (Genesis 25:1, 2, 3, 4, Genesis 38:2, 12, 1Chronicles 2:3), even c) 32k Midianite virgins (granddaughters of Keturah) Moses angrily permitted entrance into the congregation of the Lord (Numbers 31:1, 2, 9, 14, 17, 18, 35). Hence: Keturah, the great harlot. Further evidence corroborating Noah’s ancestral ‘line in the sand’ is reflected in Abraham’s infamous quest for a wife for Isaac (Genesis 24:1, 2, 3), and even Isaac’s and Rebekah’s utterly dire quest for a wife for Jacob (Genesis 27:46, 28:1, 2, 3). The Ashkenazi 'Jews' are predominately Gentile by nation (Japhethites), but “Jews” being seduced into the Talmudic religion.

2) Israelite 'Jews' were, and are obviously descendants of Jacob-Israel, God’s chosen (Deuteronomy 7:6, 7, 8, 9), Paul being an Israelite Benjamite Jew, for instance. Jesus was a Pharzite Jew being a descendant of Judah and his daughter-in-law Tamar’s eldest twin son Pharez. Pharez is found in the ancestry of King David and Jesus (Matthew 1:1, 2, 3, Luke 3:31, 32, 33).

3) Furthermore, there were, and remain descendants of Judah, prophesied progenitor of Messiah (Isaiah 65:9 KJV), of primary significance for obvious reason. There are Judah’s Israelite descendants via Judah’s widowed daughter-in-law Tamar, mother of Judah’s eldest twin son Pharez called Pharzites. There is no such Biblical title, “Judahites” as there are Levites, Benjamites, etc. Therefore, the title Pharzites is not insignificant. On the flip side of this Messianic prophecy coin: The Shelanites were descendants of Judah's Canaanite wife via their third and surviving Canaanite son Shelah (Genesis 38:6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11), who survived to procreate (Genesis 38:26 KJV). God slew Shelah's two elder Canaanite brothers Er, and Onan... and, it wasn't every day God personally slew anyone (hint: red flag).

Does it not stand to simple reason the Shelanites, sons of the prophesied progenitor of Messiah (1Chronicles 4:21, 22, Numbers 26:20 KJV), would at least have an arguable claim against the Pharzites probating Abraham's will (Genesis 25:5 KJV)? Even being the prophesied lineage through whom Messiah would arrive? Esau would have had a better claim than the Shelanites, and certain of Esau’s descendants did in fact receive conditional entry into the congregation of the Lord in Deuteronomy 23:7 KJV, Deuteronomy 23:8 KJV, Deuteronomy 23:9 KJV. Two of Esau’s wives were Hittite ‘daughters’ of Heth (Genesis 26:34, 35), second son of Canaan (Genesis 10:15 KJV). The Shelanites survived behind the ambiguity of the title, “Jew;” even though the Shelanites weren’t counted by Ezra being among the ‘tribe’ of Judah (1Chronicles 4:1, MINUS 1Chronicles 4:21, 22). The title “Jew” is exclusively ancestral when referring to Israelites, although there were scant records in Jesus’ days.

Listen closely as Isaiah subtly delineates a distinct people in the chapter you bring to this table:

Isaiah 65:1 KJV "I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, UNTO A NATION THAT WAS NOT CALLED BY MY NAME."​

Contrast that nation with Isaiah 43:1 KJV, “But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; THOU ART MINE.” The Israelites were God's chosen (Deuteronomy 7:6, 7, 8, 9), not "Jews," "...for in Isaac shall thy seed be called" Genesis 21:12 KJV. Then, who was that ‘nation’ of 'tag-alongs’ among the Israelites? Who was that "nation that was not called by my name"? The Israelites may be guilty of many things, but they were still God’s chosen Israelites (Deuteronomy 7:6, 7, 8, 9). Who was that nation that was not called by Almighty God's name, Israel?

Your OP verse Isaiah 65:15 was preceded just six verses prior by Isaiah 65:9 KJV, “And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.” Do you gather the notion there would be heritable rift between the Shelanites, and the Pharzites?

CherubRam… The Shelanites, Abraham’s seed, WERE ancestral Jews in their minds being descendants of Abraham via Keturah, via Judah’s Canaanite wife. On the other hand, they were NOT Israelite JEWS (Deuteronomy 7:1, 2, 3, Isaiah 9:1, 2, 7, 1Chronicles 4:1 MINUS 1Chronicles 4:21, 22, Rev 2:9, 3:9) as Jesus detractors so proclaimed in Matthew 27: 42, even John 8:33 KJV never having been in bondage in Egypt. I do not refute your notion of the origin of the title ‘Jew’ meaning being from Judea as a geographical indicator. At the same time, the Shelanites hid behind the title “Jew” claiming ancestry as “we be Abraham’s seed and were never in bondage to any man” (John 8:33 KJV, John 8:37 KJV, John 8:39 KJV). Undoubtedly, the Shelanite ‘Jews’ gave this title a curse, and I find such in Matthew 23:33 KJV, Matthew 23:34 KJV, Matthew 23:35 KJV, Acts 7:51, 52, FULFILLED in Matthew 27:24, 25. The “nation that was not called by my name” in Isaiah 65:1 KJV were the instigators of the crucifixion as they plainly indicate they were NOT Israelites (Matthew 27:42). Since Jesus’ detractors were NOT Israelite, what is their ancestral origin? I proffer the Shelanite descendants of Judah, the prophesied progenitor of Messiah (Isaiah 65:9), via Judah’s Canaanite wife. And, the Shelanites had a vested interest in Jesus’ crucifixion.

Therefore, the Shelanites gave the title “Jew” a bad name beginning with Jesus calling them hypocrites in Matthew 23:13, 15, 17, 23, 25, 27, 29, corroborating Rev 2:9, 3:9 KJV. I can agree with you OP from this perspective.

Peace,

kayaker