Jesus is God

[daqq]

As far as "...has a God --> "...was with God (has one) and was God (is one)." No I don't want to argue about it with you. Yeah, I know it'll go ignored and there'll be dishonest things like it wasn't addressed once again. I have a thread about dishonesty and other perversities because it seems inescapable.

So that you do not feel left out I will not ignore you here in what you have stated. For I do in fact appreciate it when the truth comes straight from the mouth of the horse. And herein you have spoken truly, (although you have not spoken any truth found in Scripture) in that you are clearly promoting multiple gods in the statement which I have highlighted in yellow. Thank you for your contribution!

:sheep:

 

[StanJ]

The fully resurrected risen Jesus the Messiah/Christ said...
The risen Jesus is a man that has a God! Even Paul knows this fact!!! The risen man Jesus is our mediator
On the authority of Jesus himself we know that the categories of "flesh" and "spirit" are never to be confused or intermingled, though the course of God's Spirit can impact our world. Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6). And "God is Spirit." The doctrine of the incarnation confuses these categories. What God has separated man has joined together! One of the charges that the apostle Paul levels at simple man is that we have "exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man" (Romans 1:23). Has it ever dawned on you as you sit in church listening to how the glorious Creator made Himself into a man that you could be guilty of this very same thing? The doctrine of the incarnation has reduced the incorruptible God to our own corruptible image. We are made in God's image, not the other way around. It would be more appropriate to put this contrast in starker terms. The defining characteristic of the Creator God is his absolute holiness. God is utterly different from and so utterly transcendent over His creation that any confusion is forbidden!
So... answer the question... How can the risen Jesus be God and then claim to have one!!!
Bonus question... do you know why Jesus is called the "Son of God" I can show you in scripture... and it has nothing to do with the Greek philosophy of hypostatic nature!
Paul

Funny that you think Paul wrote Revelation.

Now if you could put Rev 3 in Context, that would be another story, but obviously you can't. You WILL go through this tribulation but even then you will NOT understand what is going on, and hence you will not be one of the ones Jesus refers to in v4-5.

You only accept the authority of Jesus in misinterpreted scripture, but NOT when He says; "If you've seen me you've seen the Father", and NOT when He says; I AM. You hang onto words and strive about them contrary to what Paul admonishes in 2 Tim 2:14.
You quote John 3:6 as if it proves your point, when in fact Jesus was telling this Pharisee that he had to be born OF the Spirit of God to enter the kingdom of God. I suggest you read the rest of John three after the words; “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?", because you obviously do NOT understand these things either.
Jesus said: I and the Father are one.
Jesus said: If you've seen me you've seen the Father.
Jesus said: If you knew me, you would know my Father also.
Jesus said: You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.
Jesus said: If you do not believe that I am He, you will indeed die in your sins.
Jesus said: You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am.
Jesus said: Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.”

As you and your ilk DON'T sit in ANY church or learn from ANYONE but that special voice in your lives, I think it is very obvious you are inculcated into your OWN understanding of who your god is and NOT the Bible or orthodox Christianity that has proven who He is. That voice of the father of lies, the same one that appears to you as an angel of light, is NOT God.

Is 43:11-12
I, yes I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. I’ve revealed and saved and proclaimed, when there was no foreign god among you — and you are my witnesses,” declares the LORD.

Hypostasis is not a myth, it is factual and written in Heb 1:3 that you refuse to accept, just as you and your ilk refuse to accept the above noted scriptures, even though you try to make us accept your unstable and unsupported views of all the scriptures you post. It is the same OLD Arian garbage the TRUE Christian has been fighting for almost 2 millennia, that has ensnared fools like you who don't and have NEVER accepted the real God who created our universe and who is our REAL savior.

 

[StanJ]

First of all... I don't deal in historical conjecture...
Paul

and yet you continue to push conjecture that has existed in the world since 250 AD? :loser:

Arianism, a heresy first proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius.

 

[daqq]

Funny that you think Paul wrote Revelation.

Obviously Jesus HAS a GOD.... Let's let our FULLY risen King explain this to you... (Note Jesus is not talking in past tense) You need to read scripture better...

The fully resurrected risen Jesus the Messiah/Christ said...

Rev 3:2 'Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

My God... Jesus has a GOD!!!

The risen Jesus is a man that has a God! Even Paul knows this fact!!! The risen man Jesus is our mediator

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

On the authority of Jesus himself we know that the categories of "flesh" and "spirit" are never to be confused or intermingled, though the course of God's Spirit can impact our world. Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6). And "God is Spirit." The doctrine of the incarnation confuses these categories. What God has separated man has joined together! One of the charges that the apostle Paul levels at simple man is that we have "exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man" (Romans 1:23). Has it ever dawned on you as you sit in church listening to how the glorious Creator made Himself into a man that you could be guilty of this very same thing? The doctrine of the incarnation has reduced the incorruptible God to our own corruptible image. We are made in God's image, not the other way around. It would be more appropriate to put this contrast in starker terms. The defining characteristic of the Creator God is his absolute holiness. God is utterly different from and so utterly transcendent over His creation that any confusion is forbidden!


So... answer the question... How can the risen Jesus be God and then claim to have one!!!

Bonus question... do you know why Jesus is called the "Son of God" I can show you in scripture... and it has nothing to do with the Greek philosophy of hypostatic nature!

oly::sherlock:
Paul

Do you indeed believe that Paul penned the Book of the Revelation of Messiah Yeshua? as so and so seems to assume from your comments which I have highlighted in yellow? If so, perhaps not, for Paul himself tells us where he received his good news gospel and that is by way of the Revelation of Messiah Yeshua, (Galatians 1:12). Thus the Book of the Revelation of Messiah Yeshua precedes Paul, (and it shortly preceded Golgotha wherein Messiah was crucified and wherein the words of Yochanan the Immerser, the greatest of all the prophets, and of men having been born of women, was proven a true prophet in what things he penned from the holy Scriptures concerning the Lamb of Elohim in that book). These things can be shown from the Scriptures themselves but I suppose it would be too far off topic; other than that, excellent post!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Great post Paul. They do not understand that God did not become flesh, his spirit son did.

It's a shame you don't know what you're talking about. Neither do
those who agree with your "theories."

 

[Pierac]

Funny that you think Paul wrote Revelation.

Funny that the quote was actually...
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Learn to read idiot! I showed the risen Jesus claiming to have a God in Rev...then brought up Paul and quoted him! Your reading backwards like the traditions of men.. :doh:

Did your really post this... OMG ... what stupidity!! :readthis:

Now if you could put Rev 3 in Context, that would be another story, but obviously you can't. You WILL go through this tribulation but even then you will NOT understand what is going on, and hence you will not be one of the ones Jesus refers to in v4-5.

You only accept the authority of Jesus in misinterpreted scripture, but NOT when He says; "If you've seen me you've seen the Father", and NOT when He says; I AM. You hang onto words and strive about them contrary to what Paul admonishes in 2 Tim 2:14.
You quote John 3:6 as if it proves your point, when in fact Jesus was telling this Pharisee that he had to be born OF the Spirit of God to enter the kingdom of God. I suggest you read the rest of John three after the words; “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?", because you obviously do NOT understand these things either.
Jesus said: I and the Father are one.
Jesus said: If you've seen me you've seen the Father.
Jesus said: If you knew me, you would know my Father also.
Jesus said: You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.

Thank you for making my point as scripture reads and teaches...

1Jo 4:12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.

Jesus came to make known the Father...

Joh 17:26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

Many saw Jesus you clown but John teaches... No one has seen God at any time!

Must Sux to post like you!
oly::sherlock:
Paul

 

[Pierac]

Do you indeed believe that Paul penned the Book of the Revelation of Messiah Yeshua?

Another IDIOT who cant read a post! :think:

Try again... each:

Post some spiritual meat for once! .... as My Food poops on your Food... You Spiritual vegetarian!

Sorry if anyone is too stupid to understand the last statement... (Cows poop on the things vegetarians eat.) Sorry for the need but these idiots always try to get me banned for making them look stupid thus the disclaimer that cows poop on salads :rotfl:

HOLY... :cow:

oly::sherlock:
Paul

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is God come in the flesh. Anyone who wants to be saved will bow to him.

 

[aikido7]

Caesar Augustus was called "God," "Savior of the World," "Lord" and "born of a virgin [Actually True!]." These phrases were stamped on the coins and carved into the marble facings of the buildings and the temple. Everybody knew this in the first century.

Does this then mean that Caesar was God incarnate? Obviously, many people back then did.

Likewise with Jesus. However he was a man that came from the lowest class of people back then. In fact, the pagan Romans who argued against Jesus took for granted he was born of a virgin and was declared God, etc.

Such things were a normal part of the first century.

They just objected to the fact that Jesus did not come from royal birth as did the emperor.

Any careful ancient Middle-Eastern historian has to record the fact that both Jesus and Caesar were spoken of in exalted terms.

If the historian declares in their work that s/he believes in the literal divinity of Caesar or Jesus, then they are no longer a historian.

 

[God's Truth]

Caesar Augustus was called "God," "Savior of the World," "Lord" and "born of a virgin [Actually True!]." These phrases were stamped on the coins and carved into the marble facings of the buildings and the temple. Everybody knew this in the first century.

Does this then mean that Caesar was God incarnate? Obviously, many people back then did.

Likewise with Jesus. However he was a man that came from the lowest class of people back then. In fact, the pagan Romans who argued against Jesus took for granted he was born of a virgin and was declared God, etc.

Such things were a normal part of the first century.

They just objected to the fact that Jesus did not come from royal birth as did the emperor.

Any careful ancient Middle-Eastern historian has to record the fact that both Jesus and Caesar were spoken of in exalted terms.

If the historian declares in their work that s/he believes in the literal divinity of Caesar or Jesus, then they are no longer a historian.

Caesar's blood did not take away the sins of the world; Jesus' blood did that.

Your reasoning is greatly flawed.

Jesus is God come in the flesh.

 

[keypurr]

Another IDIOT who cant read a post! :think:



Try again... each:



Post some spiritual meat for once! .... as My Food poops on your Food... You Spiritual vegetarian!



Sorry if anyone is too stupid to understand the last statement... (Cows poop on the things vegetarians eat.) Sorry for the need but these idiots always try to get me banned for making them look stupid thus the disclaimer that cows poop on salads :rotfl:



HOLY... :cow:



oly::sherlock:

Paul

Paul, daqq knows better, he was just questioning Stan on it.

Daqq is quite informed on scripture.

 

[keypurr]

Caesar's blood did not take away the sins of the world; Jesus' blood did that.

Your reasoning is greatly flawed.

Jesus is God come in the flesh.

Jesus is Christ come in the flesh, not God.

 

[Bright Raven]

Jesus is Christ come in the flesh, not God.

Luke 2:11

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is Christ come in the flesh, not God.

Jesus came from heaven.

No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.

Who went into heaven?

Jesus went into heaven.

Who came from heaven?

Jesus came from heaven.

 

[Lon]

First of all... I don't deal in historical conjecture... It's a historical fact that this passage 1John 5:7-8 is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic)

Conjecture is about 'why' that is so. We don't know, hence conjecture or educated 'guess.' We 'could' have guessed that those copies 'missed' the verse thus were found missing in all the Coptic related, on that point. Manuscripts leave missing data that we cannot fill other than conjecture. It is 'missing' and we've nothing really to tell us why. It is educated guess-work.

Second I never referenced any Arians and/or Unitarians! I used Trinitarian Bible Scholars to support my statements! :readthis:

I doesn't matter much regarding the point of contention here. We are speculating. There are two reason why the verse is included in every bible: 1) because we aren't as hung up on difference as Unitarians/Arians and 2) because it is wholly in keeping, by our Trinitarian estimation, to be consistent with the rest of scripture. That means you necessarily are over-blowing this case of a speculative nature. If it "wasn't" speculative, those verses surely would not have been included. That MEANS it was guess-work.

Now about this dishonesty and other perversities you speak of? :think:

oly::sherlock:
Paul

I have a thread on it.

 

[daqq]

Another IDIOT who cant read a post! :think:

Try again... each:

Post some spiritual meat for once! .... as My Food poops on your Food... You Spiritual vegetarian!

Sorry if anyone is too stupid to understand the last statement... (Cows poop on the things vegetarians eat.) Sorry for the need but these idiots always try to get me banned for making them look stupid thus the disclaimer that cows poop on salads :rotfl:

HOLY... :cow:

oly::sherlock:
Paul

You are calling someone you do not know an idiot and also insinuating I might be trying to get you banned when I have never practiced such evil in any of the forums where I have visited but usually have those things practiced against myself by those who hate. You would do well to loose the paranoia complex and get used to talking to other people some of which might actually turn out to be like minded if you would give them only half the chance. There are indeed some, not many, but some, who believe that Paul penned the Revelation, and therefore I asked. As for food; my food, like my Teacher, is to do the will of God: so if you imagine yourself and your food "pooping" on my food then you have likewise proclaimed before everyone in the forum that your food poops on my Teacher because the Word is spiritual food. Therefore you also are now become a blasphemer for calling your brother in all caps an "IDIOT", (which again is the same a "Fool") and for pooping on me, for pooping on my food which came from my Teacher the Master Yeshua, by his Testimony, and thereby you also pooped on his Father and my Father, and his God and my God.

:sheep:

 

[keypurr]

Jesus came from heaven.

No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.

Who went into heaven?

Jesus went into heaven.

Who came from heaven?

Jesus came from heaven.

I do not believe that Jesus came from heaven, however the Christ in him did. No man has seen God, Jesus was a man. Proof that the son of man is not Jesus but the Christ that was in him.
.

 

[StanJ]

Thank you for making my point as scripture reads and teaches...
1Jo 4:12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.

So, you are OK with this verse above, but NOT with 1 John 1:18 (NIV) ?
Your OK with this verse but not Rom 8:9 (NIV) ?

So convenient that you think you can pick and choose what scripture to believe and what not to isn't it?

Pretty sure we ALL can see who the idiot and loser is here. :loser:

 

[StanJ]

I do not believe that Jesus came from heaven, however the Christ in him did. No man has seen God, Jesus was a man. Proof that the son of man is not Jesus but the Christ that was in him.

and WHERE exactly does the Bible say no MAN has seen God? You apparently believe this but can't quote it?

 

[StanJ]

:rotfl: The Unis are turning on one another. :rotfl: