drbrumley
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Talk about incoherence. So I have to ask in order to understand this:
1.) where is the logos (the 1st son) now?
2.) where is Jesus (the 2nd son) now?
Jesus is God !
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Talk about incoherence. So I have to ask in order to understand this:
1.) where is the logos (the 1st son) now?
2.) where is Jesus (the 2nd son) now?
keypurr
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It is my understanding that in Hebrew begotten means one of a kind.
That would mean that the logos, spirit son is the begotten.
Also note that when the spirit on entered Jesus at his anointing at that time God declared that this was his Son. Then the SPIRIT led Jesus into the wilderness.
keypurr
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I believe that they are ONE, sitting on the right side of the Father.
But I am not through learning yet.
keypurr
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How many spirits do you have in you Tambora?
Jesus cast a legion of them out of a man and into the swine.
drbrumley
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So what I have so far is:
1) There is 1 God (the father) UNCREATED!
2) Then there is A Son, (the logos) A CREATED BEING!
3) Then there is another SON, named Jesus, who did die on the cross for our sins. ANOTHER CREATED BEING!
4) The Logos and Jesus became ONE and are currently (you think) at the right hand of the Father.
Am I missing anything?
Who did NOT die on the cross? Jesus or the logos, or both?
So one Son was leading the other Son.
What a mess you have created!
keypurr
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I have Questions of if the logos was sent back to the Father, for Jesus when on the cross sent his spirit to his Father.
But as I told you before, I am still learning.
keypurr
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Not a mess at all.
When I tried to disprove it, I only found support for it.
I sincerely believe that I have been blessed with some understanding for it has given me the power to dispute it with the world. Life would be easier if I just stayed a Trin. But that would be living a lie.
drbrumley
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Stories? LOL!!!! Here's the rub KeyPurr. God revealed it, we believe it. Now we have a problem, because you say God revealed this to you. Yet youre the only one with this knowledge.
drbrumley
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[MENTION=3801]keypurr[/MENTION], please read Hebrews 10.
I don't know if it's because of your advanced age or the fact that you might just be delusional, however, you seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree with your 'theories' is something of a moron. Actually, I think it's a problem of your own making.
That's what every Gnostic heretic and false prophet thought.
That's why a legitimate bible study does not depend on any individual's "feelings" as any sort of authority.
I have my eyes wide open when reading scripture.
I don't have to make stuff up as you do.
Apple7
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From got questions.org
The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!
Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.
In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.
The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!
Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.
In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.
The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
I believe that 16 and 17 continue the ongoing theme of Jesus chastising people about judgement. God is good requires no judgement as Jesus stated it as fact. To judge somebody else to be either good or bad requires judgement based upon ones judgement firstly of self and then concluding that the other either meets or exceeds ones own standards is therefore good or doesn't meet those standards and is therefore bad. Both are judgements and are expressly forbidden by Jesus.
That instruction and the unambiguous remainder of the passage are the keys tod God's kingdom. If one believes that the death, resurrection and ascension are the automatic right of passage for the Christian, well good luck with that and Jesus clearly must have spent three years or so blowing hot air for no purpose.
way 2 go
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"thus saith the Lord" over 400 times in the old testament
not once in the new testament
Jesus speaks for himself using "I say unto you" 120 times because he is God.