Jesus CANNOT be Jehovah/YHVH God
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Matthew 27:53 καὶ ἐξελθόντες ἐκ τῶν μνημείων μετὰ τὴν ἔγερσιν αὐτοῦ εἰσῆλθον εἰς τὴν ἁγίαν πόλιν καὶ ἐνεφανίσθησαν πολλοῖς
right as now the Law is in the hearts and minds of His people...
Yes you do...you take the Sabbath out of the 10 Natural Moral Laws and stick it in the ceremonial catagory...you make Yahushua a literal 24 hour day...the seventh after six of work...and replace lawful obedience of the Sabbath as well no longer binding lawlessness...
sure is an attention grabber thought right? Imagine that...jews hating HIM and His followers...not including you replacing that wall He tore down...you know to let you into their reigndeer games...LOL
oh I happily see I am of israel...others however reject the sabbath and the other festival day on His calendar “THAT’S JEWISH”...lol...they rather do christmas and easter and sunday power hours...and yet I know we are sovereign citizens of Israel, adopted, grafted into HIM HIS WAYS...as He gave to HIS PEOPLE...
actually you seem pretty histrionic and triggered with the idea you have no real arguement to continue with the jewish false witness that Yahushua changed the customs that Moses delivered.
sure...but not to save...nobody HAS TO...in order to be saved...people now a daze are more keen on other body modifications though...tattoos piercings plugs branding...all endured to “BELONG”...ha...the irony...
And as for the special day He ordained yes of course...they edify and revitalize our walk...give it context and history...the Spirit still blesses those that obey...just like at that Pentecost...”copy me” said Paul as he copied Christ...both of which kept Passover et al...Paul even instructed we keep the festival with the new unleavened bread of spirit and truth...
Looking forward to the day of trumpets...atonement with Him at His second coming and tabernacling in our temporary booths during the millennium and then return to our brand new permanent homes
Funny how christians freak out that it all this might mean to belong to those going to live forever...
yup...NO DISTINCTION...we do what they do...they do what we do...we are both citizens of Israel...grafted into HIM HIS WAYS...neat right?
oh yeah? since when did you think the OT seperated the two?
Lev 19:34
The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God.
Exodus 12:49
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"The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you."
Leviticus 24:22
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'There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the LORD your God.'"
Numbers 9:14
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'If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the LORD, according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do; you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.'"
Numbers 15:14
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'If an alien sojourns with you, or one who may be among you throughout your generations, and he wishes to make an offering by fire, as a soothing aroma to the LORD, just as you do so he shall do.
Numbers 15:15
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'As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before the LORD.
Numbers 15:16
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'There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.'"
Numbers 15:29
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'You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.
Deuteronomy 1:16
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"Then I charged your judges at that time, saying, 'Hear the cases between your fellow countrymen, and judge righteously between a man and his fellow countryman, or the alien who is with him.
Deuteronomy 24:14
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"You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns.
Leviticus 18:26
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'But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you
Exodus 12:19
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'Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land.
Exodus 20:10
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but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
Deuteronomy 5:14
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but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
Leviticus 16:29
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"This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;
Leviticus 17:8
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"Then you shall say to them, 'Any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice,
Leviticus 17:10
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'And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
Leviticus 22:18
"Speak to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel and say to them, 'Any man of the house of Israel or of the aliens in Israel who presents his offering, whether it is any of their votive or any of their freewill offerings, which they present to the LORD for a burnt offering--
Leviticus 17:13
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"So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.
Leviticus 24:16
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'Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
Numbers 15:26
'So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.
See? Jews and goyim were ONE PEOPLE ONE LAW even back when the church was in the wilderness...
Remember those 4 things required of goyim crowding into synagogues every sabbath to hear moses preached and read every Sabbath in every city? Well ALL FOUR were in the OT...3 of them actually dealt with the kosher dietary laws...
but you think the OT seperated them? LOL
aint scared...except by your horrible use of the sword...gonna hurt yourself for eternity...
nobody was even circumcised while trudging through the wilderness and yet still called a church and His people...LOL
sure it is...Yahushua said clearly that it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean but he already was unclean inside for thinking he could eat that swine chop...DUH
same laws...nothing you listed abrogated the 10...
no He will give us rest...but He is not become a 24 hour period of time at the end of six days of work...
havent even preached it...LOL...it NEVER SAVED
Neither did He...ha
Paul was clear they ARE not were of good things to come...
cute also not biblical...literal
you are getting desperate..histrionic...I acknowledged that there were walls...asked if they went around Judea...
and you are lying then that I didnt acknowledge the walls
and the Sabbath time and the winter times too...
because your new law list excludes Sabbath...and in doing so you do NOT worship Him with your list...you created an idol...2nd on that list...you took His name for nothing...3rd...you disrespect your Father...5th gone from your list...add that you STEAL worship from Him...your disobedience KILLS the Spirit...and your worship is unfaithful adultery...YOU LIE and bare false witness like the jews who claimed that He changed the customs Moses delivered...prolly because you COVET the world around you to not stand apart and seperate from it...
So because you do NOT include the seventh day Sabbath on your NEW list of stuff you wanna do for Him...you actually erase all the ones you do have...the irony...
REJECTING THAT INDEED THE SABBATH IS “BROUGHT OVER” as another famous TOL member puts it...
See you do realize these commandments are actually describing what life is like where “I AM”...and where He is this is happening...
He is One Almighty...no idols...name is used...heirarchy honored...no stealing no lying no killing no adultery no coveting...NO NEED TO ya dig? You are with Him...the “I AM”...
Oh yes and well He rested and was refreshed as an example for us...on that first full day in the Edenic covenant...a SABBATH...to be with Him is to do as He does...we are after all made in His image...
glorydaz
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Reader Beware.
Sabbath Moon is a follower of some cult.
Nothing from this post is true or Biblical in any way shape or form.
Valentinus ... had seen an infant child lately born; and questioning (this child), he proceeded to inquire who it might be. And (the child) replied, saying that he himself is the Logos, and then subjoined a sort of tragic legend...[30] Hippolytus Philosophumena 6, 37
Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God... These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato.[11] Marcellus, in Logan 2000:95
What are the doctrines of demons again?
Aimiel
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He's The Creator of angels. Your cult is full of error.
He has to both angel and God according to your idolatry.
sure get some rest and feel how good that is...
you keep sayin’ and yet not one scripture that says He is a literal seventh day
and for giving us the Sabbath to rest...
He did HALLOW IT...MADE IT HOLY...SANCTIFY IT...SET IT APART...it points to Him...of course I am going enjoy it...
sure it does...gives it context meaning and understanding...
Most christians don’t even realize the Passover is NOT a sin sacrifice...does NOT do away with sin...
Much more is to be unlearned and learned...
Trade in your christmas New Years and easter for seven real festivals He made for us...two of them lasting a week...
Obeying pleases Him...obedience causes the Spirit to respond...
You remind me of those people who wish to play tennis but not keep the rules...not practice...not learn how to improve their game...
They usually quit all together...why should they...any game without rules or made up ones is no longer fun...
LOL...
Aimiel
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Doctrines designed to keep one from coming to a knowledge of Truth. Men shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make them free. Whom The Son sets free is free indeed. You're in bondage, plain and simple. You hold doctrines of demons. Those are your gods.
You should try "searching the Scriptures" for "God the Son".
I can save you the time ..... it's not there.
I notice you didn't even TRY to provide any example of a Bible teacher explaining your "Jesus" to an audience .... again, it's no surprise .... since there are no examples.
So, Paul's fearful warning to beware people teaching "another Jesus, whom we DID NOT PREACH" .... is clearly fulfilled.
Aimiel
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My idolatry? Jesus is God. Not recognizing that fact simply proves He isn't in you. You have rejected His Truth, so you have swallowed lies, believing them to be Truth. Yours is the cult of idol-worship, not mine. I hold The Creator (Jesus) as Supreme over all. He is both Lord and God.
My God is Yahweh; yours is the trinity idol that can't possibly true. It originated from Valentinus a gnostic who took drugs.
Aimiel
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Your god is one which doesn't exist. God died upon the cross to give you grace. Should you recognize His Sacrifice, His Deity and His Resurrection you'd humble yourself to His Truth. He is Truth. Your cult doesn't have any Truth in it.
Sorry I am not an atheist, and what you said was lame, because you said the Jewish god doesn't exist.
Jesus Christ was the Passover for the benefit of the Israelites alone. It is too bad you and me are not as special as the Israelites were.
what you do to avoid a gift reject His grace is evil...
Isaiah 66:23 will not be for you then...
contradicted? We didnt want what He wanted which was that we learn Mercy rather than sacrifice...but they wanted the temple...
And you want to rapture yourself from a day off...a day of rest is too much work for you...LOL
This is just another topic about which you are confused. The fact that Jesus completed the Mosaic Law, and "took it out of the way" does NOT indicate a follower of Jesus shouldn't keep JESUS' Commandments!!
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
No wonder you utterly fail at Biblical interpretation. You can't read.G said:
I didn't call you "FOOL" at all.
I did point out your arrogance, and your errors.
That's not the same thing.
Of course.G said:
The holy spirit is God's spirit. God's thinking/mind and the power produced by God's mind. Christ conformed his spirit to his God's spirit. So, yes they think the same.
A "member" of Godly attributes??? There is no such thing. The term "Godhead" is an awful attempt at translation. The Greek words translated "Godhead" in KJV merely mean Godly attributes.G said:
[/quote]In other words...they accused Jesus Christ of claiming to be God....which is why He turned from them to the Gentiles[/quote]Yes.
[/quote] who did believe He is God.[/quote]No. You are confused again. The apostles believed Jesus is "the son of the living God".
No idea who Valentinus is, but the type of argument you are making is the logical fallacy called "poisoning the well."
Source for this terminology, please?
God's Truth
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Jesus also says that he reveals things to certain people. You don’t think that it can be shown with scripture that Jesus is God come as a Son?
No, I’m not talking about adopted sons. The question is whether or not you believe that God has other sons who are not angels but are like Jesus? Jesus coming in the flesh is how God has a begotten son, or do you believe begotten is only about God making Himself only one son in heaven? If you believe the latter, then why are the angels called sons of God?
Okay, good to know, I just want to see exactly how you believe.
Job 38:4-7 King James Version (KJV)
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
You think that is about human sons of God and not the angels?
Do you not believe it is about when the earth was made?
I want to talk to you about Jesus though.
Let me know if I understand you correctly.
You believe Jesus lived in heaven and was God’s only son created in heaven.
Jesus then came to earth in the flesh, then went back to heaven as the son he was before coming, correct?
You do not believe the angels in heaven are called the sons of God.
Okay then, let’s talk more about Jesus being God’s only son in heaven.
What makes Jesus God’s son? Is it just God saying so, or some direct part of God being part of Jesus?
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