The work of Jesus for our salvation, would we say it is finished?
In what are we justified? We are justified by faith. But we are justified by and because of the blood of Jesus Christ.
ECT It makes sense to observe God's Law
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In what are we justified? We are justified by faith. But we are justified by and because of the blood of Jesus Christ.
heir
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It certainly does not come by faith IN Jesus Christ as your NASB says.
I believe righteousness is by the faith OF Jesus Christ!
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
See also Romans 3:21-22 KJV Make sure you read from the KJB or you'll run into the same problem with the NASB switching whose faith it comes from.
csuguy
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I have never treated it as a text over which we cannot be sure of the interpretation; I am quite confident in mine - and I have demonstrated the errors of yours through the scriptures; even Paul's own words - whom you favor over all others. You are reading ideas into my post which simply aren't there - and for the purpose of running away no less.
Also - I am not "first and foremost a leftist" - I am first and foremost a Christian. I would put "none" for my political stance, but it won't let me. I'm not really that interested in politics - both sides are corrupt and untrustworthy.
Of course they did, it was corrupt.
I have read enough of your context. It is corrupt.
Do you believe they were saved?
Those with faith are saved and born again as we understand it now?
We are saved by faith the same way as OT saints, in and by Jesus Christ.
I don't know what to say here meshak. How can I help you?
I know it is possible for people other than Jesus to have faith. Our faith is in God. If a person trusts Jesus does that mean they have faith in Jesus?
Well, I can't say I didn't try.
You need to learn what Jesus teaches which you don't know much about.
I know much of what Jesus teaches.
It is because of Jesus that I have a healthy respect for the Law.
You don't know enough, and you spread false doctrine because of it.
You are incorrect. It is not about how much you know but about what is accurate and true.
I have been studying the Bible and what Jesus teaches since I was a child.
Of course it is. If you don't know what Jesus teaches how can you talk about His doctrine?
You claim to be a Christian. Christianity is all about Jesus and His teaching.
You are in a humongous mess.
I am done with you again.
good day.
I do know what Jesus teaches. But you do not recognize it.
It was nice talking to you. Shalom.
csuguy
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The key to understanding the Law as it pertains to the New Covenant is to understand the distinction between the Mosaic Law and God's Law, between the Letter of the Law and the Spirit.
A gentile believer need not put themselves under the Mosaic Law; but they are under God's Law. The Mosaic Law is holy - distinguishing right from wrong. However, the feasts, sacrifices, etc. became an abomination to the Lord - for the people did them without understanding and with the wrong heart. They didn't understand that God doesn't want sacrifice - but for us to do what is right.
God's Law is the Spirit of the Law; it is the principles and values of God. To love by God's Law is to do God's will.
A gentile believer need not put themselves under the Mosaic Law; but they are under God's Law. The Mosaic Law is holy - distinguishing right from wrong. However, the feasts, sacrifices, etc. became an abomination to the Lord - for the people did them without understanding and with the wrong heart. They didn't understand that God doesn't want sacrifice - but for us to do what is right.
God's Law is the Spirit of the Law; it is the principles and values of God. To love by God's Law is to do God's will.
The Mosaic Law IS God's Law.
What other law do you think Jesus was referring to in the New Testament writings? The Mosaic Law, God Law, is about love of God and love of your neighbor.
csuguy
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The point of distinction lies in the letter of the Law vs the Spirit of the Law. To live by God's Law is to understand and live by God's values and principles. Then there is the letter of the Law; the Mosaic Law. If you are under it then you must follow it to the letter; and it includes far more than simply moral laws. It includes a wide array of customs and traditions. Everything from what and how you eat to what you wear has guidelines.
It is true, by studying the Mosaic Law one may find God's Law. But thinking of the Mosaic Law simply as a list of do's and dont's does not equate to God's Law - it even displeases God. What matters to God is one's heart - if that isn't in the right place then you cannot please God.
Isaiah 1:10-15 Hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the instruction of our God, you people of Gomorrah! 11 “The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the Lord. “I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. 12 When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? 13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. 14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. 15 When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood!
All of God's Law is moral. God is the moral law giver and the law He gave is moral. You are just talking about things you don't like.
Every part of the law is important, ever letter.
You are speaking of the Spirit of the Law or rather the spirit of the Law as compared with the letter. It is only man's letters, not the scriptures, that people go astray from the truth on.
It is wrong to say that there is the Law of Moses and then there is a different Law that is God's Law instead of the Law of Moses being God's Law.
Understand the intent of the Law. Understand that about which the Law speaks. Don't discard God's Law in order to find out what God's Law says.
If you live by the Spirit you are not under the Law. But this somehow does not mean you are disobedient.