Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

[way 2 go]

I am certainly denying that.

What way 2 go is doing is cherry-picking, one of the litany of sins you guys commit in your zeal to lure people to needless suffering and even death.

confession through projection

He is citing a survey of the "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons" (AAPS), not doctors in general. Now the AAPS sounds like an expansive group, including a large number of doctors. Well, let us see what this AAPS is all about, shall we?

never claimed

According to the Atlantic, "The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons might sound like another boring doctors’ group politely debating telehealth legislation. But AAPS is a small yet vociferous interest group."

How many doctors are in the AAPS? The organization's executive director tells us the answer: fewer than 5,000. This constitutes half of one % of your nations one million doctors.

Beginning to see the problem?

your double standard

From the American Medical Association:

The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated.

nice bolding of the misleading part 96% of how many ?

Were all doctors sampled? No, they were not. But a representative sample was. Contrast this with the deception being perpetrated by way 2 go: his data comes from one selected sub-group of doctors - those who have a track record of holding views that deviate wildly from those of most other doctors.

you didn't post this but I will

Sample size – N=301; respondent mix includes:•N=150 PCPs (Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, General Medicine, Pediatrics, OB/GYN)•N=151 Specialists (All other specialties

96% of 301 ( thats .03% of 1 million)

Now I know what I am about to say will surely bounce off your tinfoil hat, but I have to say it anyway: Let us recap: way 2 go posted information that implied that doctors in general were opposed to the vaccine. That was deception, falsehood, lie.

no my post had the numbers of the doctors in the survey "Of 560 practicing physicians"

looks like you lie

What he did show was that a fringe group comprising less than 0.5% of American physicians, and with a bizarre history that I have already shed light on, are opposed to the vaccine. That is cherry-picking - a cardinal sin in debate.

I also posted this
"This contrasts with the claim by the American Medical Association that 96 percent of practicing physicians are fully vaccinated. This was based on 300 respondents."

As I have shown, when we look at the broad sweep of American physicians we see the truth: almost all have either been fully vaccinated, or plan to be fully vaccinated.

liar

96% of 301

301 is almost all the 1 million physicians

 

[expos4ever]

never claimed

Your words: Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)

 

[expos4ever]

confession through projection

Code for: I cannot counter the point raised so I will simply paste a meaningless phrase.

 

[annabenedetti]

Oh boy, you make this so easy for us.

About this august, respectable "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons":

In 2015, after measles broke out at Disneyland, AAPS put out a press release questioning the safety of vaccines. The group has suggested that women who have abortions are at a higher risk of breast cancer, though mainstream scientists say this is false. In 2008, an article on AAPS’s website suggested that President Barack Obama was covertly hypnotizing people with his speeches, and that this might explain why Jews voted for him. AAPS’s journal, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, has published articles raising doubts that HIV causes AIDS and questioning the wisdom of urging people to quit smoking, according to the Louisville Courier Journal.

Next!

Oh, I'd forgotten all about hypnotic Obama

 

[expos4ever]

96% of 301 ( thats .03% of 1 million)

no my post had the numbers of the doctors in the survey "Of 560 practicing physicians"

looks like you lie

I never lie here, and this not an exception. You will dance and you will prevaricate, but you will not be able to show I lied.

I guarantee it.

I was aware of the 301 figure - unlike you guys, I do my homework. Yes there were only 301 surveyed but it is profoundly misleading to "reason" as you are doing.

You are choosing a non-representative sample - the AAPS is obviously a fringe group.

I am quite confident that the AMA sample, although small, was appropriately representative - the people surveyed were not cherry picked.

 

[expos4ever]

no my post had the numbers of the doctors in the survey "Of 560 practicing physicians"

Deceptive.

If you read the link, all it tells us is how many of these 560 have already been fully vaccinated as well as their knowledge of side effects in patients - there is nothing in that survey about whether they intend to get vaccinated or not.

So this survey of 560 is entirely irrelevant to the matter we are discussing.

 

[Gary K]

I never lie here, and this not an exception.

From an old song about nuclear power technology in the Pacific Northwest US:

Whoops there goes another one.

 

[marke]

Again, where is it stated that mRNA vaccines can introduce genetic changes?

As far as I can tell, the word "vaccine" appears nowhere in the article.

Again, where is it stated that mRNA vaccines can introduce genetic changes?

As far as I can tell, the word "vaccine" appears nowhere in the article.

Here is a quote from the site:

"This work opens the door to many other studies that will help us understand the significance of having a mechanism for converting RNA messages into DNA in our own cells," says Richard Pomerantz, PhD, associate professor of biochemistry and molecular biology at Thomas Jefferson University. "The reality that a human polymerase can do this with high efficiency, raises many questions." For example, this finding suggests that RNA messages can be used as templates for repairing or re-writing genomic DNA.

I draw your attention to the fact that mRNA messages like those in covid vaccines can turn again on the host to rewrite the host's genomic DNA. That is potentially very dangerous.

 

[marke]

Well, if a 21 year-old marine who has never been to medical school, and may well have only finished high school, says the vaccine is dangerous, that"s good enough for me.

I hear that 50,000 hair stylists have also turned down the shot.

Mock those who don't take the vaccine if you like, but at least none of them will be sickened or killed by the vaccine.

 

[marke]

Deceptive.

If you read the link, all it tells us is how many of these 560 have already been fully vaccinated as well as their knowledge of side effects in patients - there is nothing in that survey about whether they intend to get vaccinated or not.

So this survey of 560 is entirely irrelevant to the matter we are discussing.

99% of all people could get vaccinated but that will never alter the fact that the vaccine has proven to be harmful to some who did not suspect it and some have died.

 

[marke]

Oh, I'd forgotten all about hypnotic Obama

Obama tried to stop funding to the Wuhan lab that American scientists, especially Fauci, knew was working on deadly change of function virus research, so I don't blame Obama on the disaster. I blame Fauci and all his supporters here and around the world.

 

[marke]

Deceptive.

If you read the link, all it tells us is how many of these 560 have already been fully vaccinated as well as their knowledge of side effects in patients - there is nothing in that survey about whether they intend to get vaccinated or not.

So this survey of 560 is entirely irrelevant to the matter we are discussing.

Some lies are told in ignorance because of ignorance. Those are not the type of lies Fauci and his cohorts were doing. They were deliberately lying and millions of people died as a result of their dishonesty and bad judgment.

 

[Derf]

Your words: Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)

My doctor declined the COVID shot. He’s a member of AMA. His partners also are members and are declining it.

He’s the one that told us in May 2020 that the AMA had threatened him with the loss of his license if he spoke out against the AMA’s position on COVID, which essentially was that there was no therapeutic for it, and that vaccine was the only course of action.

I’m proud of him for taking a stand.

He also told me about a medical article that said the vaccine may lead to prion disease.

 

[way 2 go]

Your words: Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)

that's the headline , but I posted the numbers which you did not

and confession through projection is exactly what you do , project on to others what you're guilty of

 

[way 2 go]

I never lie here, and this not an exception. You will dance and you will prevaricate, but you will not be able to show I lied.

I guarantee it.

that's a lie.

I was aware of the 301 figure - unlike you guys, I do my homework. Yes there were only 301 surveyed but it is profoundly misleading to "reason" as you are doing.

You are choosing a non-representative sample - the AAPS is obviously a fringe group.

I am quite confident that the AMA sample, although small, was appropriately representative - the people surveyed were not cherry picked.

you admit you knew the number but didn't post the number because you were trying to mislead people
while accusing me of misleading people when I posted the number of people in the survey.

confession through projection

 

[ok doser]

that's a lie.

you admit you knew the number but didn't post the number because you were trying to mislead people
while accusing me of misleading people when I posted the number of people in the survey.

confession through projection

At least we have a break from his retardedness for a little while

 

[way 2 go]

At least we have a break from his retardedness for a little while

that's so sad

 

[ok doser]

that's so sad

We must endeavor to persevere

 

[Yorzhik]

Hmmmm. You claim I am stupid and yet you cannot produce one single scintilla of evidence to support your claim.

Expose puts the DO! in double down over and over again!

 

[Clete]

link

sorry for the long post but the context is needed

Dr. Byram Bridle an Associate Professor on Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph

So this is the case. The SARS 2 coronavirus has a spike protein on its surface. It is the spike protein that enables it to infect our bodies. That’s why we used spike protein in our vaccines. We use a vaccine to make the cells in our body produce this protein. If we manage to generate an immune response against this protein, theoretically we will prevent the body from being infected by the virus. This is the theory behind the vaccine. However, if you look at the disease, severe Covid-19, everything you just described, heart problems, many cardiovascular problems, bleeding, and blood clots are all related to severe Covid-19. Science has found that the spike protein itself, once it enters the bloodstream, causes cardiovascular damage almost entirely on its own. In fact, when purified spike protein is injected into the blood of experimental animals, all kinds of damage to the cardiovascular system occurs and it can cross the blood-brain barrier and cause brain damage.


At first glance, this does not seem to be a problem as we inject the vaccines into the deltoid muscle. Until now, it has been assumed that these vaccines behave like all our conventional vaccines, that they do not get anywhere beyond the site of injection. So they stay in the arm. Some of these proteins travel to local lymph nodes to activate the immune system.


However, it is here that the latest scientific discoveries appear. And this is where things start to get scary: by asking a Japanese regulatory agency, I and some international colleagues gained access to a so-called “Biodistribution Study”. For the first time in history, scientists have gained insight into where these messenger RNA vaccines are found after vaccination. In other words, is it safe to assume that they remain in the deltoid muscle? Short answer: absolutely not!


And it is very disturbing. The spike protein is found in the blood and circulates in the blood for several days after vaccination. It accumulates – once it enters the bloodstream – in many tissues such as the spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands, and also, which worries me particularly, it accumulates in fairly high concentrations in the ovaries.


This is confirmed by the approved publication of a research paper. Thirteen young healthcare professionals who had received the Moderna vaccine, a new type of messenger RNA-based vaccine that we use in Canada, were tested and confirmed. They found spike protein in the circulation, and so in the blood of 11 of the 13 health professionals who received the vaccine. What it means: We have long known that spike protein is a pathogenic protein. It’s a toxin. It can harm our body if it gets into circulation. Now we have clear evidence that vaccines that are designed to stimulate our bodies, muscles, or cells in our deltoid muscles to produce this protein, cause this protein to enter the bloodstream.


When it enters the bloodstream, the spike protein can bind to receptors (ACE2) that are found on our platelets and cells that line our blood vessels. When that happens, it can do one of two things. It can cause platelets to stick together, which can lead to blood clots. This is why we have seen blood clotting problems with these vaccines. It can also lead to bleeding. And of course, the heart is involved. It is an important part of the cardiovascular system. That’s why we see heart problems. This protein can also cross the blood-brain barrier and cause neurological damage. Therefore, in fatal cases of blood clots, it was repeatedly found in the brain.

The link to the scientific paper doesn't work.

I'd be willing to bet that it doesn't say a syllable about the protein causing any ill effects.

Also, if the protein is so toxic why have there been hundreds of millions of doses administered with only a few thousand people having significant health effects? It seems that in nearly all cases the vaccine is entirely safe and in ANY case that the vaccine is far far safer than the virus itself.