musterion
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I thought I heard my voice.
Is the New Covenant for non Jews?
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I thought I heard my voice.
The first showing of the pre-evangelised Messiah unto the Gentiles was via the Three Wise Men. This was proof that the Saviour was not only for the Hebrews. It was also confirmed to Nicodemus as in "Elohim so loved the world" that is the nations of the world as well as Israel.
You all seem to have an obsession with the Jews.
It's like you've never stepped into a proper church before.
Crucifer, do you love the Jews?
Jerry Shugart
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Under the New Covenant "all" those belonging to the house of Judah and the house of Israel will have their sins forgiven and in the following verse the Apostle Peter tells us exactly how one's sins are forgiven:
"All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name" (Acts 10:43).
There has never been a time in history when all those belonging to the house of Judah and the house of Israel believed in the Lord Jesus and had their sins forgiven so the New Covenant promised to both of those houses has not yet been fulfilled.
Jerry Shugart
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Christians are not grafted into Israel, we are grafted into the promises made to Abraham .... inherit the earth. (Gen 13:14-17, Psa 37, Matt 5:5, Rom 4:13, Gal 3:26-29)
The Scriptures are ripe with prophecies directed to ethnic Israel. Ethnic Israel , of all 12 tribes, those that survive the 2nd coming of Christ, will be gathered from EVERY nation and brought to their homeland, where they will be tested/purged/judged .... and those that accept Jesus will get to enter the land, those that won't are slain.AtT said:
Ezek 20:33-38 As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, surely with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out, will I be king over you:
34 and I will bring you out from the peoples, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out;
35 and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there will I enter into judgment with you face to face.
36 Like as I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I enter into judgment with you, saith the Lord Jehovah.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant;
38 and I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me; I will bring them forth out of the land where they sojourn, but they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
For those that accept Jesus and his God Jehovah/YHVH;
Jer 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Isa 65:19-25 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
These promises are for mortal Israel. This is NEVER promised to the church. The Church is promised to be "kings and priests, and reign on the Earth". The apostles, and David are specifically mentioned as kings over Israel .... with Jesus as the King over those, and all, kings.
Yes, the Church DOES have the New Covenant, a "Better" covenant than the Mosaic Law.... but the details of this current Law are different than the laws that will "come from Zion" during Christ's reign.
Why should I be concerned with any specific people that are indifferent to myself? I don't have an obligation to cater to them.
Do you love Muslims?
Uh uh. No. You answer my question first.
I'm not getting dragged down into your red herring. If that's what you have to do to convince someone they should give special care to the Jews then that's all the more reason to continue not even worrying about them.
So do you love those peoples?
I do not know what you are talking about or what you are saying.
Incorrect. When it says that all Israel will be saved does it mean everyone who is of Israel who has ever existed or who exists now will be saved? Do you see the point?
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Obviously not. Do you see the point?
My point or what point? If you read the New Testament you will see the marvelous work that God accomplished in and through Jesus in relation to the New Covenant.
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I have no idea what your point is because you are illogical at every turn.
My point was that there is no reason to believe that "all Israel" in Jeremiah 31 refers to every Israelite that every lived.
In scripture we are given many examples of unbelieving Israel.
Correct. Then it is not true that all believe unless it is all believing Israel that believes.