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You are factually incorrect. Hebrews confirmed what Jeremiah wrote.
Old covenant between God and Israel. New covenant between God and Israel.
It's so simple that a child can understand it.
Is the New Covenant for non Jews?
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Old covenant between God and Israel. New covenant between God and Israel.
It's so simple that a child can understand it.
musterion
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He ceased to be a Gentile when his name changed and he became the progenitor of Israel, the covenant people (which does not include you or me).
No one today has any covenant "deal" to claim with God. None. That stopped when Israel was set aside, stumbled and blinded in unbelief and refusal to repent before Messiah. That's what the book of Acts and Romans ch. 9-11 are all about.
That means all who would obey Him can come to Him by grace only, extended only in the Gospel of the grace of God (that's why it's called that).
Let us know how you do trying to call God in on the covenant terms you think you have Him bound to.
Christians are Spiritual Israel. This has been known since Christianity's founding, but for some reason you want to be concerned with a plot of land and people who hate Jesus.
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musterion
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Your papistry is showing.
No, you confuse the grandpa, Abraham, with the grandson, Jacob, who was renamed Israel, per Genesis 32:28 KJV.
musterion
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But not biblically correct.
The New Covenant is only with the House of Israel.
Yet to be established, afaik.
Jerry Shugart
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The "fathers" of those of the house of Israel and Judah who will partake of the New Covenant were the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Jer.31:32). Since their fathers were the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that can only mean that those who will partake of the New Covenant will also be the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
wait wut? What does blood lineage have to do with any of this? Israel is because of PROMISE not blood even back then...
Abraham and Sarah were barren and beyond childbearing years...thus their blood lineage was fini DONE kaputt OVER...
It was ONLY BY SPIRITUAL INTERVENTION and of the DIVINE which PROMISED a lineage for a FAITH relationship and certainly NOT BLOOD or works that created an ISRAEL...Israel was never about blood a natural biological action...but Promise...Isaac was by promise alone...not by man
Genesis 21:1
Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did for Sarah what he had promised.
Genesis 21:7
And she added, "Who would have said to Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age."
Hebrews 11:11
And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise.
Jacob too was biologically a descendant of his grandfather’s miracle of faith it is true but he wasn’t exactly Israel either was he? Israel came to be by DIVINE INTERVENTION ONLY...and in NAME only not DNA...
Just as a modern jew is NOT ethnic as there are Chinese jews Ethiopian jews German jews French jews Spanish jews Sammy Davis Jr jews...Semitic or not ashkanazi jews Sephardic jews etc etc etc
And finally the Hebrew slaves slaving there in Egypt DID NOTHING to be saved but it was FOR HIS NAME’S SAKE for His covenant with their fathers that He rescued them...they merely needed faith...they believed they were descendant of that PROMISE not that biological occurrence...
Many non native strangers foreigners gers goyim left egypt with them...is why they were called hebrews...and organized as a nation NOT a new race...
And throughout the history of the church in the wilderness it was ALWAYS ONE LAW for native and non native alike...
Is why specifically the ONLY commandment including goyim in its provision was the Sabbath commandment...the irony...as all this MAD “law don’t apply to us” or normal christiandom’s “the Law is abolished” is to avoid this very inclusive and still binding one...
what “It is finished” was sealing the New Covenant that now WHOSOEVER believes shall not perish...just as His house was to be a house of prayer for ALL nations...and to be bless ALL nations...
what you have done with Paul... Philip John Peter et al never dreamed of...oh wait but they warned us of false teachers with another gospel and other Christ’s...wolves in sheeps clothing with jewish fables and proccupations with genealogies...
so is it obedience or grace only?...IF it be grace only no need for obedience indeed...but if it be obedience then obedience to Whom what which when...?
And unlike the OT where they were to come to Him...in the present contract He came to us...and to any who believe and He remains with those who repent obey wash and repeat
that gospel of grace was long before Israel in the garden even when Adam and Eve were spared...
and those faithful believers that were before this present covenant would happily want to obey this present contract’s terms being by FAITH His people He called Israel wanted to obey as they had faith in the Promise...which NOW has COME...and will FULFILL the rest
again...the new bride does NOT have Him bound to us NOR do we seek to bind Him...as did old isreal but He has US bound...His obedient people...
NO BOUNDS except the ones we WANT...for He so loved the WORLD...that WHOSOEVER believes...
Perhaps your desire to be free of burdens and yokes leaves you like a sacred cow in india...unowned and without purpose...but free to wander the streets at will...
Oh and BTW your private notification was noted...you do come across as MAD and threatening...
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If the covenants are only with “biological israel” than apparently only “biological israel” will sin...explains a lot of the lawless behavior of christians...they claiming not to be under the law...
Odd any not of “biological israel” realize they need a savior at all...odd they need grace...being that the law only reveals sins to those incuded in the covenant...
What god would destroy and torment forever those not even aware of the law...which they were NOT required to keep...?
yet all have sinned...deserve to die...Paul said to romans...
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A child of Yah you mean...as spiritual things are discerned spiritually...he who has ears and all that
And lest ye become as children...
Israel was a new name given BY YAH to a man named by man Jacob...for a specific reason and a particular faith...the son of Isaac himself a miracle promised BY YAH and not a natural birth...so obviously Yah makes someone Israel yes? Requiring faith then obedience
Paul affirms this and is clear that goyim IN HIM become by FAITH FIRST a new creature which in turn is a sovereign citizen of Israel...adopted...grafted in...and covered by the gift of Sabbath (which even strangers received while the church was in the wilderness...as according to the ONLY commandment specifically including them...the irony)
Yup the irony of the Sabbath commandment including non jews...proving even the old covenant was also for goyim...dont get MAD...
Lol...resorting to name calling already?
Cut straight the word...worker...dont be ashamed of your works...I mean if you agree there remains work to do...apparently you ARE ashamed of work as you claim there arent any...
Jews claim to be house of israel and by blood is their claim...and now those that get MAD claim the same thing...thus only that house can sin apparently...ONLY JEWS SIN...so ONLY JEWS need saving...(the rest of us dont matter...is indeed their understanding)
And now the rest of you MAD need no grace as the law doesnt apply to you...or point out your sin...you are lawless...thus sinless...easy peasy “do as thou whilst”
Odd you claim a grace you dont need...grace being a gift which is given to only those that have need of it...
Imagine all the unessary goyim martyrs that should have known they did NOT have to be seperate...
Guess Yah just likes to see people tormented killed for nothing that applied to them...
No idea what you're talking about.
Yes I know...I speak of things spiritual of Him His...on earth as it is in heaven...which you do not pray for...
Jerry Shugart
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The Sabbath commandment was according to the Mosaic covenant, often called the law of Moses. And the Gentiles were never under the law:
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)" (Ro.2:14-15).