Is God Three?
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My points still hold. What is left for you is to scrap what you can from writings ascribed to John (at best maybe some points on the logos or Jesus sayings in his gospel...or divine titles, proclamations given in Revelation) that present Jesus as 'God Almighty' (by reverse osmosis or theosis)...or by some way of title, reference or inference, with a slight Christological bias towards a 'trinitarian' position or 'conclusion'.
You're welcome to a Christian Orthodox creedal formulation of the Trinity, it may or may not benefit one, neither is it a necessity to know for salvation, but something 'learned' and assumed as one learns the theology. Its just not the only possible or tenable Christology available, but one that became 'formalized' by the 'church' whose power at that time, made such a formulation the 'standard', because they had the power to do so.
Frankly, the Arian Controversy is old and tired, an artifact if you will of history, but such still holds its interest. On one level, its just a concept, packed with so many implications only relationally speaking. Otherwise, how it can profit a person beyond just some doctrinal convention or relational concept MAYBE enhancing their understanding of God and how he works, well, thats a matter of personal opinion (a tree is known by its fruits). If it enhances your knowledge of God and actually DOES contribute to you being a better person, and producing real spiritual FRUIT in your life, then I have NO PROBLEM with any 'trinity' or combobulation of divine personalities, since stress is made anyways and ultimately that 'God' is ONE. (there's only One divine essence, all other substance, forms or personalities are made of the same god-stuff!).
You know I love spicing the pot, stirring the coals and making important points that readers can judge and evaluate themselves. Hence my commentary speaks for itself, agreements or disagreements aside.
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My points still hold. What is left for you is to scrap what you can from writings ascribed to John (at best maybe some points on the logos or Jesus sayings in his gospel...or divine titles, proclamations given in Revelation) that present Jesus as 'God Almighty' (by reverse osmosis or theosis)...or by some way of title, reference or inference, with a slight Christological bias towards a 'trinitarian' position or 'conclusion'.
You're welcome to a Christian Orthodox creedal formulation of the Trinity, it may or may not benefit one, neither is it a necessity to know for salvation, but something 'learned' and assumed as one learns the theology. Its just not the only possible or tenable Christology available, but one that became 'formalized' by the 'church' whose power at that time, made such a formulation the 'standard', because they had the power to do so.
Frankly, the Arian Controversy is old and tired, an artifact if you will of history, but such still holds its interest. On one level, its just a concept, packed with so many implications only relationally speaking. Otherwise, how it can profit a person beyond just some doctrinal convention or relational concept MAYBE enhancing their understanding of God and how he works, well, thats a matter of personal opinion (a tree is known by its fruits). If it enhances your knowledge of God and actually DOES contribute to you being a better person, and producing real spiritual FRUIT in your life, then I have NO PROBLEM with any 'trinity' or combobulation of divine personalities, since stress is made anyways and ultimately that 'God' is ONE. (there's only One divine essence, all other substance, forms or personalities are made of the same god-stuff!).
You know I love spicing the pot, stirring the coals and making important points that readers can judge and evaluate themselves. Hence my commentary speaks for itself, agreements or disagreements aside.
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Says the one who rejects the deity of Christ.
Tell me, Clefty:
Who should I trust more: You, being some random person on the internet; or the translators (who's knowledge of the scriptures surpasses both your AND my knowledge of it) who's careful study resulted in an accurate translation from the Greek texts to the modern English Bibles we have today?
Please tell me how making an observation of what scripture says is an argument from silence.
The twelve not going to the rest of the world like they were told is not on topic, Clefty. Again, please stay on topic. If you need a reminder on what the topic of the thread is, look at the thread title.
Trevor, the thread is still there for anyone to read it.
Please don't call me a liar when you can't even show me where I lied.
I said He (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is YHWH. If you can't get the gist of what I'm saying, then maybe you don't understand my argument well enough to make a counterargument.
There's a reason I said "He" when referring to three persons.
The reason is this:
[JESUS]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,[/JESUS] - Matthew 28:19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew28:19&version=NKJV
Singular name. Three Persons referenced.
I said exactly what I meant to say, Clefty.
The fact that you can't understand what I meant is telling.
And you accuse ME of making an argument from silence?
So by that logic, just because i don't give my name on TOL means my real name isn't my real name. Classic argument from silence.
You're a hypocrite, Clefty.
The Holy Spirit is referred to as God (Acts 5:3-4). God's name is YHWH (Genesis 2:4, + over 6k other verses calling God "YHWH" in the OT). Therefore The Holy Spirit is YHWH.
Argument from silence, HAH! :mock:
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