Is death just another life?

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ffreeloader said:
You have taken that phrase completely out of context.
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I was making a joke.

Who works with all deceivableness of unrighteousness? Who gets the lost to not believe truth? Who manipulates them? The strong delusion comes from the devil as he convinces them not to believe truth. He is the master manipulator.
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You need to reread verse 11...
 
way 2 go

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Soul said:
So, the idea that true Life begins after death when one is born to the eternal life with God is in your view "new age," and thus false?
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life can begin after spiritual death

(Romans 7:9) For I was alive without the law once. But when the commandment came, sin revived and I died

you must be spiritually alive before physical death

(Romans 8:10-11) [10] And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of the One *who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.
 
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way 2 go said:
life can begin after spiritual death

(Romans 7:9) For I was alive without the law once. But when the commandment came, sin revived and I died

you must be spiritually alive before physical death

(Romans 8:10-11) [10] And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of the One *who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.
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@Soul only lasted a couple of days back in July.
 
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way 2 go said:
life can begin after spiritual death

(Romans 7:9) For I was alive without the law once. But when the commandment came, sin revived and I died

you must be spiritually alive before physical death

(Romans 8:10-11) [10] And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of the One *who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.
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What kind of death is this:
Colossians 3:3 KJV — For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

It's not physical death or spiritual death. What other kinds are left?
 
way 2 go

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Derf said:
What kind of death is this:
Colossians 3:3 KJV — For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

It's not physical death or spiritual death. What other kinds are left?
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his death instead of ours


Romans 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
 
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Right Divider said:
It's metaphorical. When we are baptized into His death, we die with Him...hence, ye are dead.
Dead to the world.
Dead to sin.
Etc, etc, etc...
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Then you would agree that other deaths could be metaphorical as well? Like these:
way 2 go said:
life can begin after spiritual death

(Romans 7:9) For I was alive without the law once. But when the commandment came, sin revived and I died

you must be spiritually alive before physical death

(Romans 8:10-11) [10] And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of the One *who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.
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Especially when that last one (vs 10) is contrasted with the physical resurrection?

Or maybe, instead of it being metaphorical in these cases, it is talking of future certainty, as in certainty of death when the law came, but before it came, the certainty wasn't there. The law explained not just what to do, but prescribed the penalty for not doing it, which, since it could never be done perfectly by a sin of Adam, was certain for every man.
 
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Derf said:
Then you would agree that other deaths could be metaphorical as well? Like these:


Especially when that last one (vs 10) is contrasted with the physical resurrection?

Or maybe, instead of it being metaphorical in these cases, it is talking of future certainty, as in certainty of death when the law came, but before it came, the certainty wasn't there. The law explained not just what to do, but prescribed the penalty for not doing it, which, since it could never be done perfectly by a sin of Adam, was certain for every man.
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"I died" is past tense.
"is dead" is present tense.
Neither is talking about something in the future.
 
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Derf said:
That's not you can die, is it?
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Derf said:
What kind of death is this:
Colossians 3:3 KJV — For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

It's not physical death or spiritual death. What other kinds are left?
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(Colossians 2:20)If then you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to its ordinances:

propitiation

(Romans 3:25)whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness through the passing by of the sins that had taken place before, in the forbearance of God;

(Romans 7:6)But now we having been set free from the Law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
 
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way 2 go said:
(Colossians 2:20)If then you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to its ordinances:

propitiation

(Romans 3:25)whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness through the passing by of the sins that had taken place before, in the forbearance of God;

(Romans 7:6)But now we having been set free from the Law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
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Can you put a name to it?
 
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Derf said:
Can you put a name to it?
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Physical death, by faith in Christ.
"The wages of sin is death..." (Rom 6:23)
"Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; ..." (1 Tim 5:24)
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)

If one is a new creature, the old man must be gone. (2 Cor 5:17)
 
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way 2 go said:
propitiation
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Are you saying we die as a propitiation for our sins? Or are we counting Christ's death as a propitiation for our sins? If the former, how do we do that and live? If the latter, then it's not our death, but Christ's death that is reckoned to our account.
 
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Hoping said:
Physical death, by faith in Christ.
"The wages of sin is death..." (Rom 6:23)
"Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; ..." (1 Tim 5:24)
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)

If one is a new creature, the old man must be gone. (2 Cor 5:17)
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Which we've already gone over, showing that you use some odd meaning for "physical", when you really mean something else.
 
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