Is America great?

noguru

Well-known member
The Germans also had laws to kill Jews just like America has a law to kill unborn children. Just like Germany we will be reprimanded.

You have been shown repeatedly where your claims in this regard are not accurate. At this point you are like a child who refuses to admit when you are wrong, and any further discourse with you would just be a further lesson in futility.
 

noguru

Well-known member
I see, you think this is a high school debate competition. Needless, to say God is not impressed with semantics. As the Bible says when the sins grow so great the land will vomit us out.

Oh the irony.

:chuckle:

This has nothing to do with God. This is about your inaccuracy regarding the world that directly surrounds you.

It is amazing that you cannot see your own errors.
 

Sancocho

New member
Oh the irony.

:chuckle:

This has nothing to do with God. This is about your inaccuracy regarding the world that directly surrounds you.

It is amazing that you cannot see your own errors.

I am not interested in redefining what science nor what the Bible says.

BTW, God is certainly interested in homicide, in fact He opposes it.
 

Dan Emanuel

Active member
The Germans also had laws to kill Jews just like America has a law to kill unborn children....
Most people who believe abortion is murder, believe also in Jesus Christ, and most people who don't believe in Jesus Christ, also do not believe abortion is murder.


Daniel
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
page after page squabbling over what to call this:

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meanwhile, another couple hundred thousand of these:

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ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
is america great?

no

america deserves to be cast away for her perversion and turning from God
 

lifeisgood

New member
is america great?

no

america deserves to be cast away for her perversion and turning from God

If America is not great, Saudi Arabia would probably be a good destination for you. How about Syria? Afghanistan? Russia proper?

America is NOT perfect, but America IS great.

No wonder so many die trying to get to her shores.

And no wonder also that the evil one is always trying to destroy her.

And what is sadder still is that there are those who take advantage of all her greatness affords and hates her.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
If America is not great, Saudi Arabia would probably be a good destination for you. How about Syria? Afghanistan? Russia proper?

America is NOT perfect, but America IS great.

No wonder so many die trying to get to her shores.

And no wonder also that the evil one is always trying to destroy her.

And what is sadder still is that there are those who take advantage of all her greatness affords and hates her.



america used to be great

america used to be selfless and recognized Godly morality

i hate what america has become
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
worth repeating the op:

Matt Walsh wrote a very interesting blog post about the state of America's greatness or lack thereof. I thought it was an interesting topic on this Independence Day weekend.


Happy Fourth of July. America is not great. Not anymore. America is a land where babies are murdered, the family is disintegrating, marriage is perverted, and every institution is dominated by nihilists and self-worshiping liberals. That’s America. It has betrayed God, and any true patriot should feel a deep and profound anger, not false confidence in our alleged greatness.

I think it’s time, particularly after this past week, that those on the right stop with the blind, frivolous “optimism” that leads us to constantly proclaim America’s “greatness” no matter how corrupt and sinful our culture has become. There is an arrogance in that declaration that, I assure you, does no please God. I doubt very much that God looks down on our culture and agrees with our assertion that we’re still super great and awesome no matter what.



What are your feelings?? Is America still great?
 

Granite

New member
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Funny how the people who stand to gain the most, the ones who are being exploited, agree the country's in trouble--for very different reasons, and with eyes usually down on a low level. We serfs on the ground rarely look up as one, in other words.
 

Town Heretic

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America is a great experiment in self rule, but greatness isn't something that I believe can be found as a persistent and defining trait of a country or people; greatness is instead found in moments when a country and its people rise to some particular need and at cost.

We've had a few great moments as a people, often necessitated by the conduct of a previous generation. We began our place in the world by espousing noble principles, but mostly as a power playground for the privileged few who felt only a philosophical obligation to their lesser but likened neighbors and none at all, more practically speaking, to those who weren't sufficiently like them to be truly counted as participants.

We found greatness in the overthrow of an evil institution, at real and bloody cost to ourselves. We found it again fighting against the domination of the Nazi and again in addressing the ongoing resistance to civil rights for those we'd freed generations earlier. But mostly we've been a bit of a narcissistic mess and still are.

Almost every generation has carried a great moral failure with it, from slavery to racism to abortion. And when we rid ourselves of the latter I have little doubt that we'll find or create another failing in need of combating. In the meantime we'll have to be content with the knowledge that whatever our many and serious flaws we've had a way of working toward mending them and that we remain a free people hammering out the meaning and responsibility that entails.
 

PureX

Well-known member
America is a great experiment in self rule, but greatness isn't something that I believe can be found as a persistent and defining trait of a country or people; greatness is instead found in moments when a country and its people rise to some particular need and at cost.

We've had a few great moments as a people, often necessitated by the conduct of a previous generation. We began our place in the world by espousing noble principles, but mostly as a power playground for the privileged few who felt only a philosophical obligation to their lesser but likened neighbors and none at all, more practically speaking, to those who weren't sufficiently like them to be truly counted as participants.

We found greatness in the overthrow of an evil institution, at real and bloody cost to ourselves. We found it again fighting against the domination of the Nazi and again in addressing the ongoing resistance to civil rights for those we'd freed generations earlier. But mostly we've been a bit of a narcissistic mess and still are.

Almost every generation has carried a great moral failure with it, from slavery to racism to abortion. And when we rid ourselves of the latter I have little doubt that we'll find or create another failing in need of combating. In the meantime we'll have to be content with the knowledge that whatever our many and serious flaws we've had a way of working toward mending them and that we remain a free people hammering out the meaning and responsibility that entails.
That's an excellent post. Well written and insightful. I only wish I were as optimistic about our ability to overcome our own narcissism and selfishness when we have to. I think we are fast approaching one of those moments in history (and it in fact may already be overdue), and I'm just not seeing the will to rise to the challenge. We aren't pulling together, this time. We're just falling further and further apart as a people. Our leaders aren't leading, but are exacerbating the problems tenfold, instead. I'm just not hopeful this time.
 

PureX

Well-known member
Funny how the people who stand to gain the most, the ones who are being exploited, agree the country's in trouble--for very different reasons, and with eyes usually down on a low level. We serfs on the ground rarely look up as one, in other words.
Interestingly, in the past, it was either very bad times, or very good timed that inspired us to unite and effect real positive change. When the economy totally crashed, and the crops blew away in droughts and dust storms, and huge segments of the population found themselves homeless, we finally 'took the bull by the horns' and implemented some socialist ideals and practices that were long overdue. And we put things back aright. And later, when the United States came out of WW2 victorious, with no structural damage at home and an industrial juggernaut ready and willing to rebuild the rest of the world, and decades of prosperity ensued, we again found the determination to 'pull together' as a people, and start treating each other as true equals for the first time in our history.

Yet for some reason, when we're stuck somewhere in between cataclysm and prosperity, we fall apart, and we blame each other, and we become an 'every-man-for-himself' society.

I find that puzzling.
 

Dan Emanuel

Active member
America is great because we have figured out how to live successfully without a king/monarchy; long-term. Our government, a constitutional federalist republic, turn's out to be the 1 very best way to do it, all thing's considered.

(You may prefer the parliamentary model, and thats fine, but the American founder's did not, and I don't have any reason at this point to think that we should discount America for not being more European: Europe hasn't undisputedly shown themselve's to be the cats meow, and until they do, I'll stick with the American model. :))

Whatever socialist advance's that Europe make's, while America isn't 1st to the party, we do watch and learn as Europe play's the part of lab rat, on themselve's. We adopt what work's and ignore the rest.

We are very, very careful, when it come's to changing our law's, especially the law's in the Constitution itself. The bar is very high when changing the highest law in the land, requiring a super-majority in Congress.

Every societies' greatness depend's upon Jesus. When the Church is organized and healthy and vibrant, that society flourish's. What we need right now is evangelism or evangelization. We need catechesis. We (the Church) must understand our shared faith better than we do now.

Our Lord want's whats best for us, including those of us who do not believe in Him (yet).

And what our Lord tell's us, in the temporal, secular, civil realm, is 1 very clear thing: Honor and protect the freedom of religion. And that is what our constitutional federalist republic is ultimately based upon, its founding document is founded upon it, and the reason the 1st European's left Europe for America was, in large part, because of the freedom of religion.


DJ
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chrysostom

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America is great because we have figured out how to live successfully without a king/monarchy; long-term. Our government, a constitutional federalist republic, turn's out to be the 1 very best way to do it, all thing's considered.

(You may prefer the parliamentary model, and thats fine, but the American founder's did not, and I don't have any reason at this point to think that we should discount America for not being more European: Europe hasn't undisputedly shown themselve's to be the cats meow, and until they do, I'll stick with the American model. :))

Whatever socialist advance's that Europe make's, while America isn't 1st to the party, we do watch and learn as Europe play's the part of lab rat, on themselve's. We adopt what work's and ignore the rest.

We are very, very careful, when it come's to changing our law's, especially the law's in the Constitution itself. The bar is very high when changing the highest law in the land, requiring a super-majority in Congress.

Every societies' greatness depend's upon Jesus. When the Church is organized and healthy and vibrant, that society flourish's. What we need right now is evangelism or evangelization. We need catechesis. We (the Church) must understand our shared faith better than we do now.

Our Lord want's whats best for us, including those of us who do not believe in Him (yet).

And what our Lord tell's us, in the temporal, secular, civil realm, is 1 very clear thing: Honor and protect the freedom of religion. And that is what our constitutional federalist republic is ultimately based upon, its founding document is founded upon it, and the reason the 1st European's left Europe for America was, in large part, because of the freedom of religion.


DJ
1.3

amen
 

PureX

Well-known member
America is great because we have figured out how to live successfully without a king/monarchy; long-term. Our government, a constitutional federalist republic, turn's out to be the 1 very best way to do it, all thing's considered.
You're presuming too much. It's working, but to claim it's the "very best" is quite a stretch, considering all the ways in which is it's NOT working well for us, at all.

We have a long way to go to reach the "very best" form of government, possible.
Whatever socialist advance's that Europe make's, while America isn't 1st to the party, we do watch and learn as Europe play's the part of lab rat, on themselve's. We adopt what work's and ignore the rest.
If only that were true! If only! Unfortunately, we seem to learn nothing from experiences of other nations, because we're so idiotically myopic and self-grandiose that we can't imagine that any other nation or system of government could ever possibly be better than our own.

Most of the other modern nations of the Earth have successfully established good, systematic health care for all their citizens without bankrupting them, forcing them to wait until their illnesses are life-threatening, or just ignoring the poor and letting them die. Yet here in the U.S. our greed has become so acceptable and pervasive in our systems of commerce and governance that we still have not managed to establish a national health care system, period. Let alone one that can provide good health care to all it's citizens without bankrupting a significant number of them, and without outrageous price-gouging by pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, doctors, medical equipment suppliers, insurance providers, and anyone else connected with health care provision. We currently rank 37th among the nations of the world in health care, while we're among the top 5 nations of the world in terms of extreme income disparity. And our government has become so corrupted by the influence of money by the wealthy elite that a recent study found that there is no statical connection anymore between the will of the people and the actions of the government … NONE! That's not a democracy of ANY sort. That's called a plutocracy.

We have some very, very serious problems in this country that other countries have long since solved, or are at least trying to solve, while we're still busy denying that we even have them.
We are very, very careful, when it come's to changing our law's, especially the law's in the Constitution itself. The bar is very high when changing the highest law in the land, requiring a super-majority in Congress.
Yes, that's our main problem. The men who wrote the Constitution had no way of imagining the size and complexity that would be achieved by the nation they were founding, and the Constitution they created reflects that lack of understanding. As a result, we have no fundamental written guidance for the way we interact with other nations, the way we conduct commerce both internally and globally, the establishment and protection of human rights, and the responsibilities of government to it' people. There's more moral and ideological guidance laid out in the opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence than there is in the whole Constitution. Which is why we behave so schizophrenically as a nation depending on who's in power every four years, and what "narrative" the general public happens to be swallowing at any given time.
 

Dan Emanuel

Active member
...There's more moral and ideological guidance laid out in the opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence than there is in the whole Constitution....
Especially that permanent mar upon our legacy, "The Three-Fifth's Compromise." [SHUDDER][/SHUDDER]

The Constitution is not without moral merit though, for in it we find these divine word's: " . . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States," as if from Jesuses' own pen.

This document was created by Christian's! by and large.

The Second Amendment derive's from the Declarations' "Right to life," did you know that? It come's directly from that. The right to keep and bear arm's isn't from the old English Bill of Right's --its from our right to life, which is a gift of our Creator, according to our Declaration of "Independence."

:)


DJ
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Granite

New member
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Especially that permanent mar upon our legacy, "The Three-Fifth's Compromise." [SHUDDER][/SHUDDER]

The Constitution is not without moral merit though, for in it we find these divine word's: " . . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States," as if from Jesuses' own pen.

This document was created by Christian's! by and large.

The Second Amendment derive's from the Declarations' "Right to life," did you know that? It come's directly from that. The right to keep and bear arm's isn't from the old English Bill of Right's --its from our right to life, which is a gift of our Creator, according to our Declaration of "Independence."

:)


DJ
1.0

Do you understand what the exemption from religious tests actually is or does?

P.S. That I'm aware he didn't use anything to write except his finger.
 
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