Is America great?

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
We follow the religion of America. There are certain ideas you can't formulate, certain taboos you can't violate. We worship America and defying the faith leads to shaming, ostracism, ridicule, banishment, and the like. The digital age has perfected the art.

The religion of America is a McDisney myth and a carnival barker's sales pitch. You, too, can be rich; you, too, can be famous; you, too, can, at the very least, be better than the next guy.

It's a casino luring in suckers who think they'll hit it big on penny slots and stroll right in to the high rollers table.

Stray from the faith at your peril.

A country that mocks intellectualism and sneers at introspection is not great.


There are a lot of things wrong with America, and America has done a lot of things wrong. But it's home. We can fight, fix, mediate, cooperate, be strong and be compassionate at the same time, and try to leave the place where we are a little better than when we arrived.
 

Granite

New member
Hall of Fame
There are a lot of things wrong with America, and American has done a lot of things wrong. But it's home. We can fight, fix, mediate, cooperate, be strong and be compassionate at the same time, and try to leave the place where we are a little better than when we arrived.

Well I guess I can't really disagree with this.
 

Town Heretic

Out of Order
Hall of Fame
Maybe a multiple choice poll would have been the way to go here.

Is America:

a) Super Great!

b) Great!

c) Pretty Darn Good.

d) Well, it mostly beats Cleveland...

e) I've seen better.

f) Pfffft.

g) Stinks like week old fish in the sun on wheat toast...

h) (g) but with mayo.
 

PureX

Well-known member
That caveat applies to all of us.
Yes, it does.
The thugs in the ghetto burning down and robbing local businesses.
When we treat people like criminals from the day their born, onward, they very often do become criminals. You can blame them if you want to, but we've been blaming them forever, and that doesn't seem to be helping. So maybe it's time to start taking some of the responsibility on ourselves, and to begin changing the way we treat these people. Whadaya think?
The people who will not work yet have their hands out for entitlements.
You mean the people we will not give any job to above minimum wage service work, and that we will then demand twice what they earn back in return for letting them live in poverty? With no possibility of ever raising a family, or going on a vacation, or even affording basic health care? Gee, I can't imagine why they aren't just jumping at that "opportunity" and kissing our privileged white behinds in gratitude!
The tragedy of choosing violence over problem solving.
When there is no reasonable solution to the problem, because others are holding all the levers of power, anger and resentment often builds until it manifests in violence. And blaming this all on those have the least amount of control or power over their own circumstances is both stupid and ineffective.
The very real violence done to society when people refuse to grant the freedoms which they enjoy to all citizens.
Freedom without opportunity is a very hollow freedom, though. One might even say it's a 'sham'.
I believe we have become so polarized in our dogmatism that we no longer comprehend the idea of a middle ground wherein we might reconcile our differences for the sake of the greater good.
Most of us wish to live in peace.
I agree.

But we have created for ourselves a culture that's based on social and economic Darwinism: every man against every other in a game of 'domination by wealth'. We hide it behind an illusion of justice and fair play but it's neither just nor fair. The wealthy 'WASP' rules, and will continue to rule, and plenty of Christians are cheer-leading the inequity of it all.
 

The Berean

Well-known member
Happily accepted. Please know that it's already forgotten, and I'm happy to chat with you any time, here.

I also sometimes let myself get hung up on a persona that I project upon the text of other posters here even though I'm trying not to. Digital text is a limited way of communicating and it's very easy to misread it or read into it, or in my case confuse posts from different posters. And you are right, I do tend to post in the negative, but I do believe that's mostly because I don't view the world through the same right-wing religious lens that pervades this site. So my perspective is going to be perceived 'negatively' relative to most of the other folks who participate, here. You don't strike me as being extreme, but you do strike me as being fairly conservative, from your comments. So I suppose I will naturally appear antagonistic to that stance. And in fact, I am fairly antagonistic of it. I'm a liberal socialist, after all, and am proud of it. ;)

Anyway, don't sweat it, brother. And I hope you're having a good day, today.

Thank you PureX. I try not to be extreme in my views if I can help it. I'm probably conservative in some views, less so in other views. But I do make it a point to listen to other people, expecially if they have different perspectives and viewpoints than I do. I can sometimes learn something new for people with different perspectives and viewpoints. :idea:
 

PureX

Well-known member
The good news on the poverty front, relative to race, is that in 1966, a couple of years after Johnson declared war on it, about 42% of blacks lived in poverty. By 2012 that had fallen to 27%, if still twice the average for white Americans. So the War on Poverty has significantly impacted poverty among the most systemically disadvantaged group in the nation. (Who's Poor in America, Pew Research Center, 2014)


What many saw though was a strengthening in the black community. Oppression has a way of doing that too. It fostered a strong moral fiber that was missing too often in the privileged class, or diminishing, as it began to diminish in black communities post Civil Rights Movement success. Sadly, as peoples we seem to deteriorate morally and cohesively as we become more empowered and affluent. We become less God centered and more narcissistic.

Maybe that's the lesson of the rich young ruler. I mean that as a cautionary tale, not an argument for oppression. ;)


No, they're remarkably better. In my part of the world and in living memory black children weren't allowed in better, white schools. They had discarded books and little opportunity for higher education and the success that comes with it. Now? Now you see black and white kids playing and growing together without race factoring for them. I've noted the larger landscape, politically and culturally, but you also have to realize it takes generations to reshape traditions within families.

So the kids that started with desegregation programs in lower Alabama as late as 1970 were from homes mostly without particular education and the sort of support, advantage and expectation that comes with it. Their grandchildren are now rearing a generation of kids with the first real vestiges of that tradition. If you were six in 1970 and had children in 1990 then your children would be about ready to send their kids into the system.

When you think of it in those terms what's happened is more remarkable and what's going to happen becomes more understandable. Keep watching. It's going to keep getting better.
Keep in mind, though, that you grew up in a place where the systematic humiliation and abuse was very deep and pervasive to start with. And in a place where the effort to change this was the most intense. So it's easier to see the progress there, now. I don't want to disparage that progress, because it's real, and it's good. But it's also the more outstanding exemplification. I grew up in the north, where the systematic abuse and humiliation was not so pronounced, but where is has also not much been addressed, and so it remains more or less as it has always been.

Also, I read our success and failure as a people by the degree of hopelessness I see among the economically disadvantaged in this country, not by their ability to buy cable TV and soda pop.
 

aikido7

BANNED
Banned
Sure. Setting innocent people on fire in a horrific bombing campaign (Dresden comes to mind) is great when you think about it.
 

Dan Emanuel

Active member
Sure. Setting innocent people on fire in a horrific bombing campaign (Dresden comes to mind) is great when you think about it.
Especially if you consider it completely in a vacuum, instead of within accurate historical context.


DJ
1.0
 

PureX

Well-known member
12002113_1137477166282043_8184976953452190237_n.jpg
 
Top