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glorydaz said:
Rather than time being muti-directional, The Lord Jesus Christ has always existed. He was there when Noah was alive. He was there when Moses was alive.
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S-word..........So you are one of those poor gullible souls who believe that the man image, before which image you bow, was an immortal and eternal non physical, non human, alien life form, which existed even before the Cosmos was created.

What was the name of 'YOUR' immortal and eternal non physical, non human alien life form, before it came down to earth only 2,000 years ago, and entered the womb of some supposedly ever virgin and created for itself a human like body which was not of the seed of the original first human, from who all true humans have descended, which human like body was named Jesus in which 'YOUR' alien life form could walk the earth disguised as a human being?

And why was 'YOUR' eternal god named Jesus, not able to raise itself from death?
 
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God's Truth said:
You gave her a thanks for saying there is neither Jew or Gentile...but she says Jews will be saved later, a different way.
Don't you know what you gave her thanks for?
Why ask her when she has told us?

You are in a bad way.
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Don't be claiming things I think when you are too clueless to even know. :down:
 
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S-word..........So you are one of those poor gullible souls who believe that the man image, before which image you bow, was an immortal and eternal non physical, non human, alien life form, which existed even before the Cosmos was created.

What was the name of 'YOUR' immortal and eternal non physical, non human alien life form, before it came down to earth only 2,000 years ago, and entered the womb of some supposedly ever virgin and created for itself a human like body which was not of the seed of the original first human, from who all true humans have descended, which human like body was named Jesus in which 'YOUR' alien life form could walk the earth disguised as a human being?

And why was 'YOUR' eternal god named Jesus, not able to raise itself from death?
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You ungody dweeb.....BE GONE!
 
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oatmeal said:
In Colossians 1:15-17 all the words following the word God are referring to God, not to Jesus Christ, for Jesus Christ is the image of God, not God himself, even as man and woman, Adam and Eve, were created in God's image, but are not God himself.
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I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. - Isaiah 45:23
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. - Romans 14:11
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is YHWH, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:10-11
 
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So let me ask you again; "Why was 'YOUR' eternal god named Jesus, not able to raise itself from death?"

Or are you claiming that he was so able?
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He did raise Himself. He said He would and He did.

John 2:19-22KJV Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.​
 
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glorydaz said:
He did raise Himself. He said He would and He did.

John 2:19-22KJV Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.​
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Who was it that said, concerning the body of Jesus the obedient servant of the Lord; "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again?"

If they were the actual words of the man Jesus, then we could expect to see in scripture that Jesus raised himself from death, But if they were the words of the Lord, as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, then Scripture would reveal that it was the Lord speaking through Jesus.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

So again I ask you; "Were these the words of the man Jesus, or the words of the Lord, 'Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again?'"

Deuteronomy 18: 18; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people. I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name and I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him, etc.

This is verified by Peter who says in reference to the man Jesus in Acts 3: 22; “For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Jesus admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, who chose him as the one to speak in his name, “Who I Am,” and Jesus says in John 5: 24; “Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

John 14: 24; “And the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father’s who sent me.

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD” Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised through Moses, that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.
 
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S-word said:
Who was it that said, concerning the body of Jesus the obedient servant of the Lord; "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again?"

If they were the actual words of the man Jesus, then we could expect to see in scripture that Jesus raised himself from death, But if they were the words of the Lord, as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, then Scripture would reveal that it was the Lord speaking through Jesus.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

So again I ask you; "Were these the words of the man Jesus, or the words of the Lord, 'Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again?'"

Deuteronomy 18: 18; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people. I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name and I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him, etc.

This is verified by Peter who says in reference to the man Jesus in Acts 3: 22; “For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Jesus admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, who chose him as the one to speak in his name, “Who I Am,” and Jesus says in John 5: 24; “Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

John 14: 24; “And the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father’s who sent me.

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD” Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised through Moses, that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.
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Just because the people of His day didn't understand, doesn't mean a thing. They crucified the Lord of Glory after all. What you fail to understand is that Jesus was not either or...man or God. He was both...man and God. I am glad to see you quoting scripture, but even satan can do that. What you need to accept is that Jesus is Lord and God as Thomas confessed when He saw the Lord risen from the dead.

It's how the Father raised Him, the Spirit raised Him and He raised Himself. They are ONE.
 
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S-word said:
So let me ask you again; "Why was 'YOUR' eternal god named Jesus, not able to raise itself from death?"

Or are you claiming that he was so able?
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For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; - John 5:26
It was impossible to keep Him "in the grave" because He possessed life
 
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beameup said:
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; - John 5:26
It was impossible to keep Him "in the grave" because He possessed life
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The man Jesus was not the Son of God, he was the earthly host body that God had prepared for his Son in which to reveal himself to us and the awesome sacrifice that he makes for his elect and chosen ones, and for the continuance of the species of mankind, the body of the most high in the physical creation in which the Son of Man, who is the Son of God, Develops.

When the man Jesus, cried out on the cross; "My God, My God, why hast thou abandoned me? The Lord who had filled his servant and chosen successor with his spirit, ceased to be an individual entity, and all the graves of the those who had paid the blood price for sin and who had been judged and separated from the unrighteous dead, and gathered to the evolving spirit of the Son of Man within the bosom of Abraham, were opened and three days later, they went into the city and showed themselves as the risen Christ, the one who was taken to heaven and anointed as the successor to the Most High, and translated from a body of physical matter into a glorious body of light, in order that he should never experience death..
 
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S-word said:
The man Jesus was not the Son of God, he was the earthly host body that God had prepared for his Son in which to reveal himself to us and the awesome sacrifice that he makes for his elect and chosen ones, and for the continuance of the species of mankind, the body of the most high in the physical creation in which the Son of Man, who is the Son of God, Develops.

When the man Jesus, cried out on the cross; "My God, My God, why hast thou abandoned me? The Lord who had filled his servant and chosen successor with his spirit, ceased to be an individual entity, and all the graves of the those who had paid the blood price for sin and who had been judged and separated from the unrighteous dead, and gathered to the evolving spirit of the Son of Man within the bosom of Abraham, were opened and three days later, they went into the city and showed themselves as the risen Christ, the one who was taken to heaven and anointed as the successor to the Most High, and translated from a body of physical matter into a glorious body of light, in order that he should never experience death..
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The scriptures say the Son of Man came from heaven.
The scriptures say that the Father raised Jesus, that Jesus raised himself, and that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus.
All are interchangeable because all are one and the same.
 
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