How to Receive Christ as Your Savior and be Born Again

Gurucam

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Robert Pate,

The savior is not the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus who is not the Lord.

The savior is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is of earth and earthly. He is not consequential. One can blaspheme him and one shall be forgiven (guaranteed):

Matthew: 12 King James Version (KJV)
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


The Lord is not the physical temporal, son of man Jesus. The Lord is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law:

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


All of the above are confirmed by many instructions in the Holy KJV N.T., including (but not limited to) the following:

2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


In the above 'now' refers to, since 2000 odd years ago, when God sent the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law.

If you are stuck on the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who is not the lord, that is fine. Everyone has free will to soweth as he pleases. And indeed so do you.

However no one (including you) have the right to misled/corrupt others with respect to revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. so as to serve their own made-up antichrist agenda.

. . . any and all ideas or agendas that ignores, distort, misrepresent and/or opposes revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. (as you have done in post # 137) is Antichrist and Satanic. Christianity is anchored on the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


The above critical message is repeated in the following Holy KJV N.T. revelation:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


The Lord is that Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law.

The physical, 'seen', son of man Jesus was temporal and he is no more. He has long been 'done away with' to give way to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus Who is the Lord from and in, heaven.
 
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Robert Pate

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Robert Pate,

The savior is not the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus who is not the Lord.

The savior is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is of earth and earthly. He is not consequential. One can blaspheme him and one shall be forgiven (guaranteed):

Matthew: 12 King James Version (KJV)
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


The Lord is not the physical temporal, son of man Jesus. The Lord is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law:

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


All of the above are confirmed by many instructions in the Holy KJV N.T., including (but not limited to) the following:

2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


In the above 'now' refers to, since 2000 odd years ago, when God sent the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law.

If you are stuck on the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who is not the lord, that is fine. Everyone has free will to soweth as he pleases. And indeed so do you.

However no one (including you) have the right to misled/corrupt others with respect to revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. so as to serve their own made-up antichrist agenda.

. . . any and all ideas or agendas that ignores, distort, misrepresent and/or opposes revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. (as you have done in post # 137) is Antichrist and Satanic. Christianity is anchored on the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


The above critical message is repeated in the following Holy KJV N.T. revelation:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


The Lord is that Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law.

The physical, 'seen', son of man Jesus was temporal and he is no more. He has long been 'done away with' to give way to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus Who is the Lord from and in, heaven.

If you don't have the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you have nothing.

When Jesus returns he will not return in a spiritual body. Every eye will see him.
 

Gurucam

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If you don't have the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you have nothing.
The above is not correct. Your idea is a common fallacy. The Gospel of Jesus is available in the Holy KJ N.T. by the billions. It does not of itself count for anything.

Fact is, having the 'gospel of Jesus' is nothing if you ignore, distort and corrupt it, as you do. Contrary to your idea the gospel says:

The savior is not the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus who is not the Lord.

The savior is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is of earth and earthly. He is not consequential. One can blaspheme him and one shall be forgiven (guaranteed):

Matthew: 12 King James Version (KJV)
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


The Holy KJV N.T. says: 1. one can look to things that are 'seen' and temporal or 2. one can look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal:

2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


The Holy KJV N.T. also say that since 2000 odd years ago the Lord is the Spirit of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of those under the ten commandments. so as to redeem them, from bondage under those laws:

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


The Holy KJV N.T. says:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


In the above 'now' refers to, since 2000 odd years ago, when God sent the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law:

Therefore one can
1. esteem and soweth to the physical, 'seen' and temporal, 'flesh and blood', son of man Jesus who is not the Lord . . . and reap corruption or,
2. esteem and soweth to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus who is the Lord . . . and reap everlasting life.

Two choices are always offered in the Holy KJV N.T.

Indeed, it does not matter whether you are foolish or not, no one and not God, is going to deny you your right to choose whether you look to things that are 'seen' and temporal or to things that are 'not seen' and eternal.

Also, it does not matter whether you are foolish or not, no one and not God, is going to deny you your right to choose whether you esteem the flesh, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus or the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus.

Also, it does not matter whether you are foolish or not, no one and not God is going to deny you your right to choose whether you soweth to the flesh, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus or to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. That is totally, your free choice.

However, do not be deceived, God is not mocked, the result of your soweth-ing is all beyond your choice. The results are fixed and predetermined:

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


. . . the above is the 2000 year old, Gospel of Jesus Christ, which says: now (since 2000 odd years ago), the Lord is the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus and not the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


And this also came with the instructions:

John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Ephesians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


The Gospel of Jesus Christ says that Christianity is all about the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus Who is the Lord and not at all about the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who is not the lord.

The physical Jesus did not die on the cross for the sin of everyone. Every one did not believe in, needed and/or demanded a blood sacrifice for forgiveness of sin. Only Jews believe in, needed and demand a blood sacrifice for forgiveness of sin.

At best the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus was a messiah to the Jews and he came as a flesh and blood sacrificial lamb for the sins up to that time, 2000 odd years ago, of only those Jews who abandoned the O.T./flesh based/ten commandments/Mosaic tradition and came onto the N.T./Christian/spirit and Spirit tradition:

Hebrews: 9 KJV N.T.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.


Jesus was forced to come to those Jews on their terms, which according to the Holy KJV N.T. were not informed:

Hebrews: 10 KJV N.T.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


However, Jesus counted and counts for nothing for those who did not abandon the O.T./flesh based/ten commandments/Mosaic tradition and come onto the N.T./Christian/spirit and Spirit tradition:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Having the 'Gospel of Jesus Christ' is nothing if you ignore, distort and corrupt the above truths which solely and totally anchor the 'Gospel of Jesus Christ'.


Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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Robert Pate

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That was a real live physical Jesus that died on the cross for your sins. You want to spiritualize everything and try to make the Gospel of no effect.

When Jesus returns he will return in a real live physical body with the nail holes in his hands and his feet, just like when he ascended into heaven.
 

Gurucam

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I say nothing of my own accord. I offer no interpretations. I post only the literal revelations in the Holy KJV N.T.:

The savior is not the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus who is not the Lord.

The savior is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is of earth and earthly. He is not consequential. One can blaspheme him and one shall be forgiven (guaranteed):

Matthew: 12 King James Version (KJV)
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


The Holy KJV N.T. says: 1. one can look to things that are 'seen' and temporal or 2. one can look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal:

2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


The physical son of man Jesus is 'seen' and temporal. This Jesus is of earth, he is earthly and not the Lord.

The Spirit, Son of God Jesus is 'not seen' and eternal. This Jesus is the Lord.

The Holy KJV N.T. also say that since 2000 odd years ago the Lord is the Spirit of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of those under the ten commandments, so as to redeem them, from bondage under those laws:

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


The Holy KJV N.T. says:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


In the above 'now' refers to, since 2000 odd years ago, when God sent the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus into the hearts of those who wish to be redeemed from bondage under the law:

Which of the above is not as the Holy KJV N.T. say?
 

Robert Pate

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The New Testament teaches that we are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

Faith and the Holy Spirit are only given to those that hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.
 

Gurucam

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1 Peter: 1 King James Version (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


The word of God is delivered by inspiration, through one own heart/spirit, not by physically written words.

John: 16 King James Version (KJV)
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Ephesians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


Hebrews: 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Obviously the physical written scriptures is not 'not seen'.

However the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth, Who bring All Truth is 'not seen' and requires faith to discern.

The written scriptures are the letter which killeth:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Letters (which killeth) are scriptures:

John: 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?


The scriptures killeth because people like Robert Pate believe that the scriptures to be 'the word of God' and 'every thing.' And so, these people do not seek spiritual awareness. They remain 'the dead'.

They do not seek spiritual awareness and direct intuitive communion with the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus Who actually connects humans with the word and all other things, of God.
 
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Gurucam

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1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 

beloved57

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The New Testament teaches that we are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

Faith and the Holy Spirit are only given to those that hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

Those in the flesh can't please God or obey God Rom 8:7-8
 

Gurucam

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2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Letters (which killeth) are scriptures:

John: 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?


The scriptures killeth because people like Robert Pate (erroneously) believe that the scriptures are 'the word of God' and 'every thing else'. And so, these people do not seek spiritual awareness. They remain 'the dead'.

They do not see the need to and/or they are not aware of need to become spiritually aware. At any event, they do not seek, spiritual awareness (awareness of their own heart/spirits). Therefore they never have direct intuitive communion with the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus, Who God sent into human hearts and Who actually connects humans with the word and all other things, of God:

John: 16 King James Version (KJV)
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


These people (like Robert Pate) are simply deceived and they mock God. They simply soweth to the flesh, all their lives:

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


. . . and people like Robert Pate boldly promote their corruption.

Please note Robert Pate's corruption of scriptures as pointed out in post # 138 above.

The likes of Robert Pate easily pass over (ignore) their not defensible transgression and corruption of the Holy KJV N.T. so as to continue to promote their corruption.
 
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Gurucam

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James: 2 King James Version (KJV)
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Notice also, that 'the works' mentioned above, is not upholding of the ten commandments but transgressing the ten commandments because of faith:

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


Notice also that 'the body without the spirit is dead'. This relates to Jesus' statement, 'let the dead bury their dead':

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


For Jesus and the Holy KJV N.T., 'the dead' means 'spiritually dead people'.

For Jesus and the Holy KJV N.T., 'physical death' does not mean 'dead'. For Jesus 'physical death' means 'sleeping':

John: 11 KJV N.T.
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
 
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Gurucam

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Robert Pate you ignore truth & choose things for the 'dead to bury each other'

Robert Pate you ignore truth & choose things for the 'dead to bury each other'

Those seeking truth in the Holy KJV N.T. must first know, accept and be guided by the following:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


Jesus was truthful only to the twelve disciples in private sessions among only them.

The following is one such delivery which Jesus made privately to only the disciples, among only them because only they were given by God to know this truth:

John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


In the above Jesus (i.e. the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man) said, that the deliveries which he made, even privately to the disciples were far from the whole message.

He told the disciples that he had to leave many things for the Spirit of Truth (Who was to be available to them later) to guide them to all truth and show them things to come.

He said that this was to happen after he left by crucifixion and rising to heaven. Then the Spirit of Truth will be available to them to serve this mission.

The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus, Who is the Lord.

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The Holy KJV N.T. say that God sent the Spirit of Truth Who is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus (Who is the Lord) into the hearts/spirits of His children:

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

The Holy KJV N.T. said:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Ephesians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


Jesus, Himself said the disciples were the only ones given to know and get truth from him. And he, himself said privately to the disciples that there is no truths in the things which he delivered when he was the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus. He said that the Spirit of Truth will be available after he was crucified and rose and the Spirit of Truth will bring All Truth to them:

John: 16 KJV N.T.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Robert Pate, why are you pushing/pedaling parables and other things which the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus delivered. And why are you promoting and passing those off as truth?

Have you no regard for the revelations, information and instructions of Jesus, as clearly recorded in the Holy KJV N.T.

Don't you recognize that Jesus had two agendas

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.


And Jesus served both agendas with separate and different deliveries and both sets of deliveries are recorded in the Holy KJV N.T..

And only the disciples were given by God to follow Jesus and get truth from Jesus:

John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


. . . most things in the Holy KJV N.T. are for 'the dead to bury each other'. Only a few chosen things pertain to 'following Jesus'. And indeed it was prophesied that only a chosen few will get this fact and use the Holy KJV N.T. appropriately and correctly:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


You said, Jesus is the straight gate and narrow way.

Your statement is juvenile, overly simplistic and totally misleading. You are simply parroting slogan type foolishness (without any back-up awareness of truth.

You are clearly as sad, 'blinded', foolish and unfortunate as old 'Jehovah's witnesses' ladies who go door to door unwittingly soliciting followers for their leaders.

Jesus himself declared that he has two agendas which he actively served. And the Holy KJV.T. confirmed that there was an earthly physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus who is not the Lord . . . and there is a heavenly, Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus who is the Lord.

Only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus (who is the Lord) can be and is the straight gate and narrow way that leadeth to heaven and eternal life.

So far, all your statements are corruption of the revelations in the Holy KJV N.T., highly careless, uninformed and very misleading. Fact is, you are simply not familiar with the Holy KJV N.T. You ignored God's righteousness and gone about your own righteousness:

Romans: 10 KJV N.T.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


Most critical is that since 2000 odd years ago, the Lord is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus and not the flesh/physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who you corruptly promote to be the Lord.

You soweth to flesh and not to Spirit and you are misleading anyone who takes you seriously to do the same:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
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Gurucam

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It is totally corrupt and dangerous to promote parables as a source for truth.

It is totally corrupt and dangerous to promote parables as a source for truth.

Robert Pate, Please learn something that is new to you but is recorded, live and direct, in the Holy KJV N.T., for the past 2000 odd years:

It is totally corrupt and dangerous to promote parables as a source for truth (the mysteries of God kingdom of heaven)

The above is so, although millions of supposed Christian churches daily and actively esteem, use, invoke and promote parables. These sad churches use parable in their marriage ceremonies. There is therefore no wonder why so many of their 'blessed' marriages fail. Imagine what happens when they use parables in funerals.

Fact is parables were given for 'the dead to bury their dead' (in hell with Satan) for a very indefinite stay. Where as, the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven are given for converted/spiritually aware people to rise to heaven, in three day, when they die.

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


The straight gate and narrow way are the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven, as revealed by Jesus, privately to only the disciples. Parables were given only to those who were not given by God to get these mysteries. Parables were given to take away what they had:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


The big mystery of God's kingdom of heaven is that only the Spirit of Truth brings All Truth through a connection between one own heart/spirit and the Spirit of Truth.

John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Jesus is the truth, therefore the Spirit of Truth is the Spirit of Jesus:

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus and not the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who is earthly and not the Lord:

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus is discerned and communed with, only within one's own heart/spirit (and not in scriptures). This is how it works

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Ephesians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


Christianity is not at all about the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who is not the lord). Christianity is all about only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

Christianity is a spiritual tradition. This tradition is anchored directly and only by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

A spiritual tradition is not a 'religion'.

The physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who is not the lord), Peter, Peter's church, Moses, the Mosaic tradition and the Old testament all anchors religions.

Religions are anchored by man or men. Religions are for people (i.e. the dead') who look only to things that are 'seen' and temporal and cannot look to thing that are 'not seen' and eternal.

Spiritual traditions are for people (i.e. the converted/spiritually aware) who can look to both things that are 'seen' and temporal and things that are 'not seen' and eternal.

Everything in the Holy KJV N.T. must be separated into two sets of deliveries which often times contradicts each other. This is all O.K. because these two sets are for two different sets of people, according to Jesus' two agendas:

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.


Traditional Christians refuse to recognize, the above, much to their detriment. This separation starts with the following and continue throughout the entire Holy KJV N.T.:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


Don't you want to try to remove at least some of the billion strong traditional Christian from bondage under corruption of the Holy KJV N.T. and set them on the right track according to authentic revelations in the Holy KJV N.T.?

Which is bigger, your heart or your ego?
 
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Robert Pate

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Robert Pate, Please learn something that is new to you but is recorded, live and direct, in the Holy KJV N.T., for the past 2000 odd years:

It is totally corrupt and dangerous to promote parables as a source for truth (the mysteries of God kingdom of heaven)

The above is so, although millions of supposed Christian churches daily and actively esteem, use, invoke and promote parables. These sad churches use parable in their marriage ceremonies. There is therefore no wonder why so many of their 'blessed' marriages fail. Imagine what happens when they use parables in funerals.

Fact is parables were given for 'the dead to bury their dead' (in hell with Satan) for a very indefinite stay. Where as, the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven are given for converted/spiritually aware people to rise to heaven, in three day, when they die.

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


The straight gate and narrow way are the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven, as revealed by Jesus, privately to only the disciples. Parables were given only to those who were not given by God to get these mysteries. Parables were given to take away what they had:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


The big mystery of God's kingdom of heaven is that only the Spirit of Truth brings All Truth through a connection between one own heart/spirit and the Spirit of Truth.

John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Jesus is the truth, therefore the Spirit of Truth is the Spirit of Jesus:

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus and not the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who is earthly and not the Lord:

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus is discerned and communed with, only within one's own heart/spirit (and not in scriptures). This is how it works

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Ephesians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


Christianity is not at all about the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who is not the lord). Christianity is all about only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

Christianity is a spiritual tradition. This tradition is anchored directly and only by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord.

A spiritual tradition is not a 'religion'.

The physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who is not the lord), Peter, Peter's church, Moses, the Mosaic tradition and the Old testament all anchors religions.

Religions are anchored by man or men. Religions are for people (i.e. the dead') who look only to things that are 'seen' and temporal and cannot look to thing that are 'not seen' and eternal.

Spiritual traditions are for people (i.e. the converted/spiritually aware) who can look to both things that are 'seen' and temporal and things that are 'not seen' and eternal.

Everything in the Holy KJV N.T. must be separated into two sets of deliveries which often times contradicts each other. This is all O.K. because these two sets are for two different sets of people, according to Jesus' two agendas:

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.


Traditional Christians refuse to recognize, the above, much to their detriment. This separation starts with the following and continue throughout the entire Holy KJV N.T.:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


Don't you want to try to remove at least some of the billion strong traditional Christian from bondage under corruption of the Holy KJV N.T. and set them on the right track according to authentic revelations in the Holy KJV N.T.?

Which is bigger, your heart or your ego?


The Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Galatians 3:2.
 

Gurucam

Well-known member
Robert Pate, you present yourself as esteeming Jesus, however you deny Jesus His primary function as the one who, by operating through His Spirit, goes (intercedes) between the individual spirits of Saints and the Holy Spirit and come up with what each Saint/Christian must know, pray for say and do.

The above is how Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and the Lord from heaven.

No one comes onto God, the Father, Who is the Holy Spirit, without going through the Spirit of Jesus. Jesus is not God, He is the Son of God, the Son of the Father.

Jesus is the truth, the way and the life for humans. Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and the Lord for humans.


God is a Spirit. God is the Holy Spirit:

John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Jesus, the Son of God, is another Spirit. Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of the Son, Who is the 'intercede-er'. He is the Spirit of Truth for humans and Lord for humans:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit (of Jesus who God sent into the hearts of his children): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


Jesus's Spirit is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of Intercession. Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit Who goes between the spirits/hearts of each human and the Spirit of God.

No one can come onto the Holy Spirit directly, on one's own. Everyone must go through the Spirit of Jesus in order to come onto the Holy Spirit:

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Ephesians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


Only the Spirit of Jesus can make intercession with God, for Saints according to:
1. the groaning in their hearts/spirits and
2. the will of God.

From this intercession, the Spirit of Jesus comes up with what each saint must know, pray for, say and do.

Only those who search their own heart and discerns precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for him or her to know, pray for, say and do and are led into their works by only this (even if he or she has to transgress the ten commandments), are Saints/Christians/children of God.

However only Saints/Christians can have the above lifestyle.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


What the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do is a perfect amalgam of:
1. the deepest urging within the hearts/spirits of each Saint/Christian and
2. the real time will of the living God. (the will of God is, literally, the Holy Spirit).

When one is led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, one serves one's own spirit in perfect harmony with the real time will of the living God. This is only way to do the will of the Father and so inherit God's kingdom of heaven:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Entering God's kingdom of heaven is not a done deal, nor is it about parroting slogans in praise of Jesus, etc..

Entering God's kingdom of heaven is anchored on doing works.

Entering God's kingdom of heaven is anchored on doing the real time will of the living God by being led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned in real time, all the time within one's own heart/spirit . . . even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.


Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


It is bold and total corruption to turn the above into the following:

The Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Galatians 3:2.

Very corrupt and far fetch, indeed.

Hebrews: 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
 
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Gurucam

Well-known member
Robert Pate,

If there are steps to follow in the Holy KJV N.T. between:

1. the Holy KJV N.T. revelation 'This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?'

and

2. your claim,'The Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ'

. . . please show them, in clarity .

How does the Spirit become the Holy Spirit? God did not sent His Spirit into the hearts of his children.

Fact is no one commune directly with the Holy Spirit. Everyone communes only with the Spirit of Jesus Who makes intercession for one with the Holy Spirit. When one is informed by and led by the Spirit of Jesus one does the will of God.

It is Jesus who must confess one to God. God is the Holy Spirit. If one is not 'converted' and in live communion with the Spirit of Jesus, through one own heart/spirit . . . Jesus would not know one and cannot confess one to God:

God sent the Spirit of His Son into the hearts of His children. The Spirit of God's son is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus who is the Lord:

John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

By receiving the Spirit of Jesus one becomes a child of God. If this Spirit was/is the Holy Spirit, one will become God. The aim was/is not to make one, God but to make one a child of God, like Jesus. This is why the Spirit of the Son was sent and not the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 That Christ (the Spirit of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children) may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ (the Spirit of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children), which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

(False prophets who rewrite the Holy KJV N.T. change the word "passes" in the above to 'surpasses' and misled millions)

The above revelation from the Holy KJV N.T. (which speak about passing knowledge) concurs, literally, with:

John: 16 KJV N.T.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


(These corrupter of the Holy KJV N.T. deny, undermine and persecute Jesus and Christianity with a vengeance. This is why only a few are chosen.)

The following is how 'Christ', (the Spirit of the son, Jesus) passes knowledge:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


(This is not about 'surpassing' knowledge, as claimed by false prophets who rewrote the Holy KJV N.T.. This is about the Spirit of Jesus passing knowledge, live and direct.)

Notice that in all of the above, 'the Spirit' is not the Spirit of the Father (the Holy Spirit) but the Spirit of the Son. The Spirit of the Son, Jesus enables Saints/Christians to be 'children/sons of God'.

By denying that the Spirit of Jesus, is a separate and different Spirit from the Holy Spirit, one dismisses and relegates both, Jesus and Christianity.

On does not gain the Spirit of Jesus by hearing and believing scriptures. One gets faith (belief in things 'not seen') by hearing the miracles in the Holy KJV N.T.. This is to look to things that are 'not seen'. This lead effortlessly, naturally and spontaneously to believing in 'things not seen'.

Things that are 'not seen' are eternal.

2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


To become aware of things that are not seen is to become aware of the eternal side of the creation, including the side of one that is 'not seen' and eternal (i.e. one's own heart/spirit).

Then when one live (soweth) according to this side of one's make-up, one reap eternal life and inherits God's kingdom of heaven.

The above is the simple passage to salvation and deliverance to God's kingdom of heaven.

One must look to the 'not seen' cause of miracles in the Holy KJV N.T.. Not to the physically done 'good' or other deeds in the Holy KJV N.T.. This is how one awakens to faith, then spiritual awareness.

Hebrews: 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Then, after coming onto faith, faith bring one into conversion (spiritual awareness or awakening of one's own heart/spirit to one). Then one can commune with the Spirit of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts/spirits of His children. This is how one receives the Spirit of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts/spirits of His children. Then Jesus can heal/save one:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


One does not receive the Spirit of Jesus by the works of the law (i.e. not be obeying the ten commandments) but by the hearing of faith (i.e. by hearing how the 'not seen' Spirit of Jesus works to create miraculous manifestations of physical things).

The above is how the Holy KJV N.T. giveth life.

If, on the other hand, you get caught-up in the ideas and laws in the Holy KJV N.T., you die, spiritually. Then the letters (i.e. the written scriptures) killeth your spiritual development and actualization.
 
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Robert Pate

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No one receives the Holy Spirit without hearing and believing the Gospel.

"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil in our name and on our behalf. That is the Gospel. If you don't believe that you will not receive the Spirit.
 

Gurucam

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Robert Pate, as you ought to know, heavenly bodies control all things on earth (including, for example, the growth and development of plants to your mother's menstrual cycle which made your birth possible). The heavenly bodies are the Holy Angels who also empower the Spirit of Jesus.

Matthew: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him . . .


Recently, through new heavenly bodies realignment, the surface of earth came into a New Age. This is the Age of Enlightenment in Christ.

The Spirit of Jesus is strengthened on earth by the Holy Angels (i.e. by the recent realignment of the heavenly body).

Hebrews: 2 KJV N.T.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


Now these heavenly bodies (Who are the Holy Angels) and the Spirit of Jesus has 'come' to earth, to rule, in glory.

This has created and sustains the New Age of Enlightenment in Christ on the surface of earth. This has also precipitated the final on-going separation of the world's population, into sheep and goats:

Matthew: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


All the Old deluded and corrupt ideas and laws are being exposed and totally thrown out, with those who esteem, use, invoke and promote them.

This is why the truth, as literally confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T., is surfacing here.

This is also why President Trump/Truth was duly and democratically elected to office. He has come to change the world and he will change the world. The time has come to change the world.

The time for purging out the Old and corrupted is at hand, at all frontiers and levels.

This is happening everywhere.

These things are all happening under Grace of God, under the recently strengthened, Spirit of Jesus and not at all by volition of humans.

This is the expected, glorious coming to earth of the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. The physical Jesus was of earth, earthly and not the Lord.

Fact is, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus was always present on earth, but not in His glory. Recently, because of realignment of heavenly bodies, the Spirit of Jesus strengthened significantly. Now, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus is in glory on the surface of earth.

Everyone has the absolutely free choice to come on board or perish. This is the option that is given to humans by God.

However the billion strong traditional Christians will be in serious, offensive and bitter disbelief as to what is truth, now that truth is surfacing in clarity. They will be weeping and gnashing their teeth in bitter disappointment:

Luke: 13 King James Version (KJV)
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.


A billion strong traditional Christians have been soweth-ing to flesh and not to Spirit:

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


More precisely, they (the billion strong traditional Christians) have been soweth-ing to the physical/flesh, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who is not the Lord). They have not been soweth-ing to the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, Who is the Lord:

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The physical/flesh, son of man Jesus was 'seen' and temporal. The Spirit, Son of God, Jesus is 'not seen' and eternal.

The billion strong traditional Christians did not look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal. They continued to look to things that are 'seen' and temporal:

2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 
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Robert Pate

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Robert Pate, as you ought to know, heavenly bodies control all things on earth (including, for example, the growth and development of plants to your mother's menstrual cycle which made your birth possible). The heavenly bodies are the Holy Angels who also empowers the Spirit of Jesus.

Matthew: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him . . .


Recently, through new heavenly bodies realignment, the surface of earth came into a New Age. This is the Age of Enlightenment in Christ.

The Spirit of Jesus is strengthened on earth by the Holy Angels (i.e. by the recent realignment of the heavenly body). This has created and sustains the New Age of Enlightenment in Christ on the surface of earth. The separation of the world's population, between sheep and goats is now on going.

All the Old deluded and corrupt ideas and laws is being exposed and totally thrown out.

This is why the truth, as literally confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T., is surfacing here.

This is also why President Truth was elected to office. He will change the world.

The time for purging out the Old and corrupted is at hand, at all frontiers and levels.

This is happening everywhere.

These thing are all happening under Grace of God and not at all by volition of humans.

Everyone has the absolutely free choice to come on board or perish. This is the option that is given to humans by God.

Well, we have one thing in common, we both like Trump. But I am afraid that is it.
 
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