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No you belong to the devils freewill salvation cult !
How to Receive Christ as Your Savior and be Born Again
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No you belong to the devils freewill salvation cult !
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Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cult-like behavior is always marked by an idolatrous attachment to the cult itself. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. Many people attend Calvinistic churches for reasons other than Calvinism and such members place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those people who have committed themselves to five-point TULIP Calvinism who are mired in this cult.
Calvinists like to claim that all other theological systems are false. Calvinists have beliefs similar to the early Gnostics, who believed “the elect” were those ‘chosen-ones’ who had the secret knowledge of God. They believe that anyone who does not accept Calvinism must be a ‘non-elect’ and ‘non-regenerate’ person. If you observe a Calvinist carefully, you will see that he has little regard for the true meaning of the Bible message. The only message he will allow or accept is the message of Calvinism. All Biblical passages are run through the Calvinist mill. Any passage which seems to run contrary to his doctrine is ‘reworked’ to fit into his system. Like all cults, the Calvinist will not change his beliefs under any circumstances. Rather than conforming his beliefs to the Bible, the Calvinist tries to conform the Bible to his beliefs. Instead of trying to understand what the Bible really says, he first asks himself how any given passage might impact Calvinism. Then, instead of honestly trying to understand the intended message of any given passage, he develops an interpretation that will suit Calvinism. Thus all interpretations are ‘custom-fit’to suit Calvinism.
The Calvinist serves his belief system and to him the Bible must be interpreted to conform to his belief system. All interpretations of the Bible are subject to doctrines of Calvinism. For example, in the gospel of John, Calvinists interpret the word “world” in John 1:29 and John 3:16 to mean “the elect” or ‘chosen-ones’ (they use the word ‘predestinated’). But at John 17:9, they interpret the word “world” to mean “other than the elect.” Therefore, they give the same word ‘world’ (Greek kosmos), totally opposite meanings from one passage to the next. There are myriads of examples in Calvinism just like this one.
Ordinary Christians do not have such a rigid 5-point system. If a Bible passage comes up that impacts their present beliefs, such Christians will change their beliefs to conform to the Bible. Not so with a Calvinist. The Calvinist (like the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness) serves his rigid belief system and no Biblical passage is going to change his mind.
The purpose of reading the Bible is to find out what it says and arrive at the intended meaning through understanding the context, the grammar and following accepted objective principles of interpretation. Most people read the Bible to discover the treasures therein, but not the Calvinist. He uses the Bible only to make it suit or ‘custom-fit’ his rigid 5-point brand of Calvinism.
Calvinists do not try to coherently piece the ideas in the Bible together to arrive at the big picture. Rather, they pick up passages that suit them best and either ignore or rework all other passages which do not endorse Calvinism. They gather together a bunch of passages and build for themselves a rigid cult-like doctrinal belief system (called TULIP) which is to their liking. In short, they create their own god, an idol called Calvinism.
Many people would say this language is too strong to describe Calvinism. At one time I would have said so myself. But having studied and observed Calvinists for thousands upon thousands of hours, it is my solemn conclusion that Calvinism is a very dangerous cult and falls into the same bracket of cults like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormonism. Do not let the fact that they accept regular doctrines like the Trinity and the Deity of Christ fool you either. Observe their behavior in church circles, in theological debates and especially on social networking sites and you will see how correct are my observations that Calvinism is indeed a blinding and life-choking CULT.
Robert Pate,
You have to deny and corrupt all of the following to promote your distortion and corruption:
1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Mark: 16 KJV N.T.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
The above confirm that Jesus rose to God's kingdom of heaven clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord.
Jesus is in God kingdom of heaven clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord.
The instruction is:
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The kingdom of God is found here:
Luke: 17 King James Version (KJV)
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
You will find Jesus, clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body within you, in your own heart/spirit. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord:
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Then it was clearly stated:
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of His children) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of His children) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of His children), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
. . . and it was confirmed that the earthly, physical, flesh and blood, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus is not the Lord and not consequential:
Matthew: 12 KJV N.T.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
You have to deny and corrupt all of the following to promote your distortion and corruption:
1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Mark: 16 KJV N.T.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
The above confirm that Jesus rose to God's kingdom of heaven clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord.
Jesus is in God kingdom of heaven clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord.
The instruction is:
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The kingdom of God is found here:
Luke: 17 King James Version (KJV)
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
You will find Jesus, clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body within you, in your own heart/spirit. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord:
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Then it was clearly stated:
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of His children) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of His children) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus Who God sent into the hearts of His children), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
. . . and it was confirmed that the earthly, physical, flesh and blood, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus is not the Lord and not consequential:
Matthew: 12 KJV N.T.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
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The Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit. Jesus said that the Spirit will not speak of himself, John 16:13.
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A person could substitute "MADist" instead of "Calvinist" with much more effect.
The Spirit is not speaking of Himself. All this 'speaking' is being done by people who are in physical bodies using physical words. These deliveries are simply instructions on how and where to reach the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth (Who brings All Truth/'the Word of God').
The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus does not speak of Himself. The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus is totally impersonal. He simply makes intercession (silently and impersonally) between each Saint/Christian and the Spirit of God. And come up with what each of them must know, pray for say and do.
What the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth has in mind for each Saint/Christian to know, pray for, say and do is a perfect amalgam of only 1. the deeply seated ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations that is the fabric of one's own heart or spirit and 2. the will of God, Which is the Holy Spirit.
Each Saint/Christian comes to know what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth has in mind for him or her to know, pray for, say and do by searching his or her own heart/spirit. This is discerned intuitively, individually, silently and privately (without physical word) within his or her own heart/spirit.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus, Who God sent into the hearts of His children), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
When one is led into all his/her works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth has in mind for him or her to know, pray for, say and do one serves 1. the deeply seated ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations that is the fabric of one's own heart and 2. the will of God, Which is the Holy Spirit.
When one is led by the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth, one serves 1. the deeply seated ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations that is the fabric of one's own heart and 2. the will of God, Which is the Holy Spirit.
By doing the above one achieves the following, simultaneously and in perfect harmony:
1. one does one's own will at the level of one's own heart/spirit.
2. one does the live will of the living God
3. one achieves one's own heaven,
4. one achieves God's heaven
This is made possible only by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God. Lord Jesus, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit. Only this approach to life is Christianity. This is the only way through which one is saved and delivered and becomes a child of God and a Christian.
Since 2000 odd years ago, the physical Jesus is not at all consequential in any of the above.
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The Spirit does not speak of himself, nor will one that posses the Spirit. The Spirit is given to magnify Christ and his Gospel, John 16:14.
Jesus gave only two gospels.
Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that 1. the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (i.e. Paul), as 2. the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Jesus had only two missions/agendas:
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
Jesus served both of his agendas which related one each to the two types of people who he met. Indeed Jesus met only two kinds of people:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Only the disciples were given to follow Jesus. The rest were 'the dead who were given to bury each other':
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jesus told the disciples (the twelve who were given to follow him) privately among only them:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jesus confirmed that the scriptures killeth. Only the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth) bring All Truth/the 'Word of God' and giveth life:
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The letter which killeth are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Satan describes spiritually dead people (i.e. the dead') who inevitably bury themselves and each other, inside the earth, in hell. (i.e. 'let the dead bury their dead'.) Only spiritually aware people (converted people) have a chance of rising to heaven (i.e. in their spirit bodies), when they die.
Satan is any human who is in the flesh. Satan is one who is not converted. Satan is any human who savor the things of man/carnality and not the thing of God/Spirit.
For our (i.e. 'those with ears to hear') edification, Jesus identified Peter to be Satan and also told us why Peter was Satan:
Matthew 16 King James Version (KJV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Satan/Peter was appointed by the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus to a Satanic commission for 'the dead' (the spiritually dead). This commission is anchored on the scriptures and the law which killeth and is a curse, respectively. The very great majority (billions) of 'the dead are buried' in Satan/Peter's commission. They do not rise to God's kingdom of heaven.
'The dead', both in and out of Satan/Peter's commission, arrogantly and erroneously take the scriptures and the law to be words of God. And they go on to esteem, use, invoke and promote the scriptures and laws. They do not recognize, embrace, esteem, use, invoke and promote the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth as their only source for Truth/'the Word of God'.
Fact is, only the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus bring All Truth/'the Word of God' and gives eternal life which enables one to rise to heaven. 'The dead' perpetually stumble at that stumbling block, (i.e. when they erroneously take the scriptures and the law to be truth/the word of God) and use them in that erroneous manner.
Satan/Peter's commission is anchored on the Gospel of circumcision. This is righteousness that is with the law and scriptures which is a curse and which killeth, respectively.
'The dead' (i.e. those in the flesh) are sent to and put under Satan/Peter's commission, because of their arrogance and folly. Robert Pate who arrogantly and foolishly esteems scriptures and the law, as truth/'the word of God', exemplifies this arrogance and folly:
1 Corinthians 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
On the other hand, Paul was appointed by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus to exemplify Jesus' spirit and Spirit based commission. This is the Gospel that is without the law and scriptures (which killeth etc.). This is the Gospel of uncircumcision:
Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Totally unlike Peter, Paul got all his knowledge and guidance for his commission, directly privately and intuitively from the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. . . . (Peter got his information only the carnal/Satanic way, (i.e. through the physically spoken words of the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus):
Galatians: 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Jesus confirmed that only the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth brings all truth:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
In the end, only Paul got all truth from the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus. The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus delivered no truth.
1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven
Only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus is Lord. The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is not Lord.
2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that 1. the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (i.e. Paul), as 2. the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Jesus had only two missions/agendas:
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
Jesus served both of his agendas which related one each to the two types of people who he met. Indeed Jesus met only two kinds of people:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Only the disciples were given to follow Jesus. The rest were 'the dead who were given to bury each other':
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jesus told the disciples (the twelve who were given to follow him) privately among only them:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jesus confirmed that the scriptures killeth. Only the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth) bring All Truth/the 'Word of God' and giveth life:
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The letter which killeth are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Satan describes spiritually dead people (i.e. the dead') who inevitably bury themselves and each other, inside the earth, in hell. (i.e. 'let the dead bury their dead'.) Only spiritually aware people (converted people) have a chance of rising to heaven (i.e. in their spirit bodies), when they die.
Satan is any human who is in the flesh. Satan is one who is not converted. Satan is any human who savor the things of man/carnality and not the thing of God/Spirit.
For our (i.e. 'those with ears to hear') edification, Jesus identified Peter to be Satan and also told us why Peter was Satan:
Matthew 16 King James Version (KJV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Satan/Peter was appointed by the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus to a Satanic commission for 'the dead' (the spiritually dead). This commission is anchored on the scriptures and the law which killeth and is a curse, respectively. The very great majority (billions) of 'the dead are buried' in Satan/Peter's commission. They do not rise to God's kingdom of heaven.
'The dead', both in and out of Satan/Peter's commission, arrogantly and erroneously take the scriptures and the law to be words of God. And they go on to esteem, use, invoke and promote the scriptures and laws. They do not recognize, embrace, esteem, use, invoke and promote the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth as their only source for Truth/'the Word of God'.
Fact is, only the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus bring All Truth/'the Word of God' and gives eternal life which enables one to rise to heaven. 'The dead' perpetually stumble at that stumbling block, (i.e. when they erroneously take the scriptures and the law to be truth/the word of God) and use them in that erroneous manner.
Satan/Peter's commission is anchored on the Gospel of circumcision. This is righteousness that is with the law and scriptures which is a curse and which killeth, respectively.
'The dead' (i.e. those in the flesh) are sent to and put under Satan/Peter's commission, because of their arrogance and folly. Robert Pate who arrogantly and foolishly esteems scriptures and the law, as truth/'the word of God', exemplifies this arrogance and folly:
1 Corinthians 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
On the other hand, Paul was appointed by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus to exemplify Jesus' spirit and Spirit based commission. This is the Gospel that is without the law and scriptures (which killeth etc.). This is the Gospel of uncircumcision:
Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Totally unlike Peter, Paul got all his knowledge and guidance for his commission, directly privately and intuitively from the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. . . . (Peter got his information only the carnal/Satanic way, (i.e. through the physically spoken words of the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus):
Galatians: 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Jesus confirmed that only the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth brings all truth:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
In the end, only Paul got all truth from the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus. The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus delivered no truth.
1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven
Only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus is Lord. The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is not Lord.
2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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'Revelations' are parables.
Parables do not contain or reveal truth. Jesus is quite precise in his confirmation as to where we will find truth and All Truth:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
People who quote and use 'Revelations' (and other parables) are simply exposing their spiritually dead/foolish/blind/deluded state. There is no (discernible or other) truth/information in Revelations. Millions of interpretations can be presented for 'Revelations' . . . and indeed millions are presented.
Revelations are parables which are given only to manage 'the dead' by fooling them, according to any which way they want to be fooled.
All Truth can come to humans only from the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus, through a direct, private, individual and intuitive connection between each person's heart/spirit and the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus.
The above is achieved only by searching one's own heart/spirit. This is where both Jesus and God's kingdom of heaven exists. This is where Paul found, both Jesus and God's kingdom of heaven:
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Luke: 17 King James Version (KJV)
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
You will find Jesus, in God's kingdom of heaven, clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body within you, in your own heart/spirit. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord:
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
. . . please follow the only good Christian example in the Holy KJV N.T.. Please follow Paul. Paul exemplified and demonstrated how and where to get All Truth/'the Word of God'. Paul got All Truth/'the Word of God' only from the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus Who is the Lord:
Paul knew only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus only after the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus left, by crucifixion.
Galatians: 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth Who God sent into the hearts of His children) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth Who God sent into the hearts of His children) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth Who God sent into the hearts of His children), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Ephesians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
. . . Robert Pate, Oh how foolish, corrupt and deluded are your 'dead-man' ideas, which you esteem, use, invoke, promote and teach.
Parables do not contain or reveal truth. Jesus is quite precise in his confirmation as to where we will find truth and All Truth:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
People who quote and use 'Revelations' (and other parables) are simply exposing their spiritually dead/foolish/blind/deluded state. There is no (discernible or other) truth/information in Revelations. Millions of interpretations can be presented for 'Revelations' . . . and indeed millions are presented.
Revelations are parables which are given only to manage 'the dead' by fooling them, according to any which way they want to be fooled.
All Truth can come to humans only from the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus, through a direct, private, individual and intuitive connection between each person's heart/spirit and the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus.
The above is achieved only by searching one's own heart/spirit. This is where both Jesus and God's kingdom of heaven exists. This is where Paul found, both Jesus and God's kingdom of heaven:
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Luke: 17 King James Version (KJV)
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
You will find Jesus, in God's kingdom of heaven, clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God body within you, in your own heart/spirit. And in this form and from that place Jesus is Lord:
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
. . . please follow the only good Christian example in the Holy KJV N.T.. Please follow Paul. Paul exemplified and demonstrated how and where to get All Truth/'the Word of God'. Paul got All Truth/'the Word of God' only from the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus Who is the Lord:
Paul knew only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus only after the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus left, by crucifixion.
Galatians: 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth Who God sent into the hearts of His children) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth Who God sent into the hearts of His children) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth Who God sent into the hearts of His children), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Ephesians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
. . . Robert Pate, Oh how foolish, corrupt and deluded are your 'dead-man' ideas, which you esteem, use, invoke, promote and teach.
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Jesus had two agendas:
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
In the above, Jesus showed serious disdain for (serious disapproval of) 'the dead'.
Only the disciples were given by God to follow Jesus. Everyone else were 'the dead who were to bury their dead':
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jesus did a serious 'number' on (fool-up) 'the dead' who were everyone other than the disciples. Jesus' aim was to have all 'the dead' (the spiritually dead) bury each other inside the earth, in hell, with Satan:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
The disciples were given or allowed to follow Jesus because they were spiritually aware (i.e. 'converted'):
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Only the spiritually aware (the converted) can follow Jesus, be 'healed' by Jesus and go to the mansion, in heaven, in God's house which Jesus has prepared for those who follow Him. God's kingdom of heaven. 'The dead' defines humans who are still in the flesh (i.e. not converted):
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Jesus went ahead to prepare a mansion in heaven, in God's house, only for spiritually aware people (the converted) who can follow Him. The dead have no access to this mansion in in heaven, in God's house:
'The dead' describes one who is 'in the flesh' and one's whose 'heart is waxed gross, and ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed'. 'The dead' are also those who savor the things of man (flesh) as opposed to things of God (Spirit):
Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
'The dead' cannot and do not follow Jesus. They cannot and do not enter and live in God's kingdom of heaven. They cannot and do not go to the mansion, in heaven, in God's house which Jesus went ahead to prepare for Christians (i.e. those who follow him). 'The dead' bury each other inside the earth, in hell:
John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Christians differs in no way from Jesus Christ, except that he is lord of all.
Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Mark: 12 King James Version (KJV)
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
When Christians loose their physical bodies (die physically), they rise in three days (like Jesus) to be like angels in heaven. This is how those who follow Paul's example goes. Only they are Christians.
Christians do not remain in the earth, in hell with Satan, indefinitely (like the followers of Peter & co.)
All those who follow Peter & Co. are still inside the earth in hell 'waiting'. Peter and Co. have followers who are inside the earth in hell with Satan for 2000 odd years already.
It is totally different for those who embraced Paul's example.
When those who followed Paul's spirit/Spirit example, died, they all rise, in three day, to heaven into the mansion in God's house which Jesus went to prepare for them. In this regard they differ in no way from Jesus Christ.
Satan/Peter's commission is not the same as Paul's Christian commission:
1 Corinthians 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan (Peter) for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
In the above, Jesus showed serious disdain for (serious disapproval of) 'the dead'.
Only the disciples were given by God to follow Jesus. Everyone else were 'the dead who were to bury their dead':
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jesus did a serious 'number' on (fool-up) 'the dead' who were everyone other than the disciples. Jesus' aim was to have all 'the dead' (the spiritually dead) bury each other inside the earth, in hell, with Satan:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
The disciples were given or allowed to follow Jesus because they were spiritually aware (i.e. 'converted'):
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Only the spiritually aware (the converted) can follow Jesus, be 'healed' by Jesus and go to the mansion, in heaven, in God's house which Jesus has prepared for those who follow Him. God's kingdom of heaven. 'The dead' defines humans who are still in the flesh (i.e. not converted):
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Jesus went ahead to prepare a mansion in heaven, in God's house, only for spiritually aware people (the converted) who can follow Him. The dead have no access to this mansion in in heaven, in God's house:
'The dead' describes one who is 'in the flesh' and one's whose 'heart is waxed gross, and ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed'. 'The dead' are also those who savor the things of man (flesh) as opposed to things of God (Spirit):
Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
'The dead' cannot and do not follow Jesus. They cannot and do not enter and live in God's kingdom of heaven. They cannot and do not go to the mansion, in heaven, in God's house which Jesus went ahead to prepare for Christians (i.e. those who follow him). 'The dead' bury each other inside the earth, in hell:
John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Christians differs in no way from Jesus Christ, except that he is lord of all.
Galatians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Mark: 12 King James Version (KJV)
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
When Christians loose their physical bodies (die physically), they rise in three days (like Jesus) to be like angels in heaven. This is how those who follow Paul's example goes. Only they are Christians.
Christians do not remain in the earth, in hell with Satan, indefinitely (like the followers of Peter & co.)
All those who follow Peter & Co. are still inside the earth in hell 'waiting'. Peter and Co. have followers who are inside the earth in hell with Satan for 2000 odd years already.
It is totally different for those who embraced Paul's example.
When those who followed Paul's spirit/Spirit example, died, they all rise, in three day, to heaven into the mansion in God's house which Jesus went to prepare for them. In this regard they differ in no way from Jesus Christ.
Satan/Peter's commission is not the same as Paul's Christian commission:
1 Corinthians 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan (Peter) for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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Jesus had two agendas:
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
In the above, Jesus showed serious disdain for (i.e. serious disapproval of) 'the dead'.
'Following Jesus' has nothing to do with scriptures (except that scriptures give the instruction to follow Jesus and scriptures give the instructions on how to follow Jesus:
Only the disciples were given by God to follow Jesus. Everyone else were the dead who were given to bury each other:
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto (follow) me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jesus confirmed to the disciples that 'following him' is about following Him in the regeneration:
Matthew: 19 KJV N.T.
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
The regeneration is when the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus died and was regenerated as the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus, then rose to heaven, to 'sit on the right side of the Holy Spirit' as the Lord:
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Mark: 16 KJV N.T.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Therefore following Jesus is all about following Jesus to spirit heaven. And it all about the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (Who bring All Truth). And following Jesus is not at all about the physical, flesh and blood, temporal, son of man Jesus, who is not the Lord. Also following Jesus is not about the scriptures and the law which killeth and is a curse, respectively.
The scriptures and the law are not Truth. Only the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth brings All Truth. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. The physical, flesh and blood, temporal, son of man Jesus, who is not the Lord, did not deliver any Truth:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Also Moses did not deliver Truth:
John: 1 King James Version (KJV)
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
Also the scriptures do not contain Truth, they killeth. Only the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth brings All Truth directly personally, individually and intuitively (without physical words) to the hearts/spirits of Saints/Christians
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The letter which killeth are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
. . . of course Robert Pate will conveniently and easily deny all of that above clear and literal revelations from the Holy KJV N.T. so as to promote his ill-informed ideas, corruptly in the name of Christianity.
. . . beware of Robert Pate, he is a sad and unfortunate dude. He is promoting his own righteousness and seeking to pass it off as Christianity. He seems to perceive himself to be a savior, in his own right. However he is among Christians, falsely presenting himself as a Christian so as to get a following.
We were warned about the likes of Robert Pate and there are many like him (they are commonplace, within the ranks of the billion strong traditional Christians):
Matthew: 24 KJV N.T.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Wake up to the fact that a billion strong traditional Christianity cannot be the few of anything. They cannot be the chosen few, authentic Christians.
Robert Pate must stand on his own and apart from Christians and Christianity. Indeed Lord Robert Pate must stand alone as a 'none Christian' savior if he wants to esteem, use, invoke and promote his own new and different righteousness.
Robert Pate cannot provide a straight, none contradicting and literal verse from the Holy KJV N.T. to support even his simplest idea. He is 'big time' and always into antics, corruption, interpretations and distortions of clear and literal verses in the Holy KJV N.T.
For example:
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
There are two gospels. These are 1. 'the Gospel of circumcision and 2. the gospel of un-circumcision.
Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (i.e. Paul), as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter
These are two different gospels for two different types of people. And both were given by Jesus. One for 'the dead', was given, to Peter, by the physical Jesus and the other, for the converted (the spiritually aware), was given to Paul, by the Spirit Jesus.
The gospel of circumcision is for the dead who are given to bury each other inside the earth, in hell. The gospel of un-circumcision is for the spiritually aware who were given to follow Jesus to spirit heaven. These directly related to Jesus' two agendas:
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
The verses mentioned 'hearing of faith'. This is quite another thing. Fact is:
Hebrews 11:1King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Therefore hearing of faith is hearing of the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. These are not the tenants and laws in the Holy KJV N.T. These are the magically done miracles which Jesus demonstrated.
One receives the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth when one is converted (spiritually aware). One becomes converted (spiritually aware) by coming into faith (i.e. belief in things 'not seen'). This is achieved by hearing about the magically created miracles in the Holy KJV N.T.. This has nothing to do with the tenants and laws in the Holy KJV N.T. or any other scriptures.
This has to do with hearing magical miracle which create physical realities on earth. Hearing and believing the Cinderella fairy tale can do the same.
Hearing and believing the Cinderella fairy tale can bring one onto faith, if such tales are not totally dismissed as impossible by the great ruling masses. Currently the masses influence/determine world beliefs.
The sad fact is that the masses are unaware/spiritually dead people. They are anchored only on the physical or 'seen'. They are faithless. So they routinely destroy faith, (i.e. belief in things 'not seen' as a means of creating and materializing their physical realities and needs):
Matthew 17:20King James Version (KJV)
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Therefore few ever come onto faith and Christ. Most remain under bondage to the law and the tenants and other laws in scriptures.
The above is the breadth, length and height of the above revelation which Robert Pate quoted and corrupted:
Ephesians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Robert Pate is simply making-up, saying and promoting 'half-baked' foolishness.
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
In the above, Jesus showed serious disdain for (i.e. serious disapproval of) 'the dead'.
'Following Jesus' has nothing to do with scriptures (except that scriptures give the instruction to follow Jesus and scriptures give the instructions on how to follow Jesus:
Only the disciples were given by God to follow Jesus. Everyone else were the dead who were given to bury each other:
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto (follow) me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jesus confirmed to the disciples that 'following him' is about following Him in the regeneration:
Matthew: 19 KJV N.T.
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
The regeneration is when the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus died and was regenerated as the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus, then rose to heaven, to 'sit on the right side of the Holy Spirit' as the Lord:
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Mark: 16 KJV N.T.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Therefore following Jesus is all about following Jesus to spirit heaven. And it all about the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (Who bring All Truth). And following Jesus is not at all about the physical, flesh and blood, temporal, son of man Jesus, who is not the Lord. Also following Jesus is not about the scriptures and the law which killeth and is a curse, respectively.
The scriptures and the law are not Truth. Only the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth brings All Truth. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. The physical, flesh and blood, temporal, son of man Jesus, who is not the Lord, did not deliver any Truth:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Also Moses did not deliver Truth:
John: 1 King James Version (KJV)
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
Also the scriptures do not contain Truth, they killeth. Only the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth brings All Truth directly personally, individually and intuitively (without physical words) to the hearts/spirits of Saints/Christians
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The letter which killeth are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
. . . of course Robert Pate will conveniently and easily deny all of that above clear and literal revelations from the Holy KJV N.T. so as to promote his ill-informed ideas, corruptly in the name of Christianity.
. . . beware of Robert Pate, he is a sad and unfortunate dude. He is promoting his own righteousness and seeking to pass it off as Christianity. He seems to perceive himself to be a savior, in his own right. However he is among Christians, falsely presenting himself as a Christian so as to get a following.
We were warned about the likes of Robert Pate and there are many like him (they are commonplace, within the ranks of the billion strong traditional Christians):
Matthew: 24 KJV N.T.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Wake up to the fact that a billion strong traditional Christianity cannot be the few of anything. They cannot be the chosen few, authentic Christians.
Robert Pate must stand on his own and apart from Christians and Christianity. Indeed Lord Robert Pate must stand alone as a 'none Christian' savior if he wants to esteem, use, invoke and promote his own new and different righteousness.
Robert Pate cannot provide a straight, none contradicting and literal verse from the Holy KJV N.T. to support even his simplest idea. He is 'big time' and always into antics, corruption, interpretations and distortions of clear and literal verses in the Holy KJV N.T.
For example:
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
There are two gospels. These are 1. 'the Gospel of circumcision and 2. the gospel of un-circumcision.
Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (i.e. Paul), as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter
These are two different gospels for two different types of people. And both were given by Jesus. One for 'the dead', was given, to Peter, by the physical Jesus and the other, for the converted (the spiritually aware), was given to Paul, by the Spirit Jesus.
The gospel of circumcision is for the dead who are given to bury each other inside the earth, in hell. The gospel of un-circumcision is for the spiritually aware who were given to follow Jesus to spirit heaven. These directly related to Jesus' two agendas:
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
The verses mentioned 'hearing of faith'. This is quite another thing. Fact is:
Hebrews 11:1King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Therefore hearing of faith is hearing of the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. These are not the tenants and laws in the Holy KJV N.T. These are the magically done miracles which Jesus demonstrated.
One receives the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth when one is converted (spiritually aware). One becomes converted (spiritually aware) by coming into faith (i.e. belief in things 'not seen'). This is achieved by hearing about the magically created miracles in the Holy KJV N.T.. This has nothing to do with the tenants and laws in the Holy KJV N.T. or any other scriptures.
This has to do with hearing magical miracle which create physical realities on earth. Hearing and believing the Cinderella fairy tale can do the same.
Hearing and believing the Cinderella fairy tale can bring one onto faith, if such tales are not totally dismissed as impossible by the great ruling masses. Currently the masses influence/determine world beliefs.
The sad fact is that the masses are unaware/spiritually dead people. They are anchored only on the physical or 'seen'. They are faithless. So they routinely destroy faith, (i.e. belief in things 'not seen' as a means of creating and materializing their physical realities and needs):
Matthew 17:20King James Version (KJV)
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Therefore few ever come onto faith and Christ. Most remain under bondage to the law and the tenants and other laws in scriptures.
The above is the breadth, length and height of the above revelation which Robert Pate quoted and corrupted:
Ephesians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Robert Pate is simply making-up, saying and promoting 'half-baked' foolishness.
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Mark: 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
The gospel of Jesus Christ is anchored on the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus and not on the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus.
The scriptures and Peter's commission were given by the physical seen' and temporal son of man Jesus. This is the gospel of circumcision.
The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus who bring All Truth is with out any scriptures and laws. This is the gospel of un-circumcision.
Fact is, with respect to the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the following is truth/fact: the physical seen' and temporal son of man Jesus, Peter's church and other related things, are not consequential.
Also the physical seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is not the Lord:
Matthew: 12 KJV N.T.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus who brings All Truth and gives eternal life:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The letter which killeth are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
The gospel of Jesus Christ is anchored on the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus and not on the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus.
The scriptures and Peter's commission were given by the physical seen' and temporal son of man Jesus. This is the gospel of circumcision.
The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus who bring All Truth is with out any scriptures and laws. This is the gospel of un-circumcision.
Fact is, with respect to the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the following is truth/fact: the physical seen' and temporal son of man Jesus, Peter's church and other related things, are not consequential.
Also the physical seen' and temporal son of man Jesus is not the Lord:
Matthew: 12 KJV N.T.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus who brings All Truth and gives eternal life:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The letter which killeth are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
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There are two most fundamental things that one must know, with respect to Christianity.
The first is that Jesus had two formats. One was flesh and blood (the son of man) and the other spiritual (the Son of God/Holy Spirit).
One was the physical, 'flesh and blood', 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who was not the Lord. The other is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus Who is the Lord:
Mark: 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Matthew: 12 KJV N.T.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
One who does not know and does not recognize the above cannot be and is not, a Christian.
The second most fundamental thing about Christianity is the fabric of the next post.
The first is that Jesus had two formats. One was flesh and blood (the son of man) and the other spiritual (the Son of God/Holy Spirit).
One was the physical, 'flesh and blood', 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who was not the Lord. The other is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus Who is the Lord:
Mark: 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Matthew: 12 KJV N.T.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
One who does not know and does not recognize the above cannot be and is not, a Christian.
The second most fundamental thing about Christianity is the fabric of the next post.
The second most fundamental thing about Christianity is that Jesus actively had and actively served two agendas:
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
Only the disciples were given to follow Jesus and only they got truth from Jesus, in very private sessions among only them.
All others were not given to follow Jesus. They did not get truth from Jesus. Jesus 'fool-up' these great masses of people, with parables. These great masses of people were the dead who were given to bury each other by esteeming, using invoking and promoting the law and parables:
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto (follow) me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
The above clear and literal revelation from the Holy KJV N.T says that: the ten commandments were found to killeth and bury one inside the earth, in hell with Satan.
'The dead' were spiritually dead people who arrogantly and violently refused to abandon the law and scriptures and embrace the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus:
Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The following clear and literal revelation from the Holy KJV N.T says that: 'the letter' which killeth (and bury people in the earth, in hell, with Satan) are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Only the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus brings all truth, eternal life and delivery to heaven in the mansion in God's house which Jesus prepared for those who follow Him:
John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
Only the disciples were given to follow Jesus and only they got truth from Jesus, in very private sessions among only them.
All others were not given to follow Jesus. They did not get truth from Jesus. Jesus 'fool-up' these great masses of people, with parables. These great masses of people were the dead who were given to bury each other by esteeming, using invoking and promoting the law and parables:
John: 6 KJV N.T.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto (follow) me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
The above clear and literal revelation from the Holy KJV N.T says that: the ten commandments were found to killeth and bury one inside the earth, in hell with Satan.
'The dead' were spiritually dead people who arrogantly and violently refused to abandon the law and scriptures and embrace the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus:
Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The following clear and literal revelation from the Holy KJV N.T says that: 'the letter' which killeth (and bury people in the earth, in hell, with Satan) are the scriptures:
John 7 KJV N.T.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Only the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus brings all truth, eternal life and delivery to heaven in the mansion in God's house which Jesus prepared for those who follow Him:
John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
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John: 14 KJV N.T.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Jesus prayed that the Father will give you another comforter. The first one was the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus. The other comforter is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus. And although they are both Jesus. They are different. They are different forms of Jesus.
Jesus said that he will return: "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Jesus who at that time was the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus was to return as the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus
Jesus said: 'Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.'
The above says that, the prince of this world Who is to come is the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus. He is the Lord/Prince. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus.
The above also says that this Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus is nothing like the physical 'seen' and temporal Jesus who is not the Lord:
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2000 odd years ago, the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who was not the Lord/Prince) returned as the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus, Who is the Lord/Prince. God sent this Jesus, Who is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus into the hearts of His children (the chosen few, who followed Jesus). This was the second coming of Jesus . . . a long done deal.
'The dead' seem to have been duped into burying each other in the depths of earth, in hell, with Satan to wait indefinitely for the (long past) second coming of Jesus.
Seems that Jesus had serious disdain/dislike for 'the dead'. Jesus aim and agenda was and continued to be:
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
Seems that Jesus' agenda was to literally have the dead bury each other in the depths of earth, in hell with Satan, period (for ever).
The aim, it seems, is to have only children of God/Christians inherit the surface of earth without children of the flesh (the dead) when God's kingdom of heave finally descends to earth.
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
9 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Jesus prayed that the Father will give you another comforter. The first one was the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus. The other comforter is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus. And although they are both Jesus. They are different. They are different forms of Jesus.
Jesus said that he will return: "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Jesus who at that time was the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus was to return as the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus
Jesus said: 'Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.'
The above says that, the prince of this world Who is to come is the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus. He is the Lord/Prince. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus.
The above also says that this Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus is nothing like the physical 'seen' and temporal Jesus who is not the Lord:
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2000 odd years ago, the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus (who was not the Lord/Prince) returned as the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus, Who is the Lord/Prince. God sent this Jesus, Who is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus into the hearts of His children (the chosen few, who followed Jesus). This was the second coming of Jesus . . . a long done deal.
'The dead' seem to have been duped into burying each other in the depths of earth, in hell, with Satan to wait indefinitely for the (long past) second coming of Jesus.
Seems that Jesus had serious disdain/dislike for 'the dead'. Jesus aim and agenda was and continued to be:
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.
Seems that Jesus' agenda was to literally have the dead bury each other in the depths of earth, in hell with Satan, period (for ever).
The aim, it seems, is to have only children of God/Christians inherit the surface of earth without children of the flesh (the dead) when God's kingdom of heave finally descends to earth.
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
9 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
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John: 14 KJV N.T.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Fact is Jesus rose to heaven, in a spiritual body, three days after the physical Jesus was crucified (done away with). The death of the physical, seen' and temporal son of man Jesus and the rise of the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus was the regeneration. This occurred 2000 odd years ago.
Then the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus went ahead to prepare a place, in heaven, for those who follow Him in the regeneration.
In the above Jesus said: 'I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.'
This conveys that the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus will come to those who follow him, when they die and take them to heaven, in three days, into the mansion in God's house which He went ahead to prepare for them, so that where Jesus is, there they may be also:
Hebrews: 9 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Matthew: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
The above (John: 14 verses 2 & 3, KJV N.T.) does not say that a physical Jesus 'will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also'.
One can only follow the path which Jesus took to heaven.
Like Jesus, one (who follow Jesus in the regeneration) must die (loose one's physical body) and be regenerated in a spirit body. Then Jesus who is clad only in His Spirit body will meet and receive such a one. Such a one will be clad only in his/her spirit body. Then together they will rise to heaven in three days, "that where I am, there ye may be also." . . . This is the Christian path according to the Gospel of un-circumcision that was rendered onto Paul.
It is different under the Gospel that was rendered onto Peter.
Under the Gospel of circumcision that was rendered onto Peter, the dead are buried in the earth in hell with Satan. The dead means spiritually dead or unaware of one's spirit. When such a one dies, he has no awareness. He looses the only thing that he is aware of (i.e. his physical body). Although such a one is in his spirit body, he is not aware of his spirit body. He can do nothing in or through, his spirit body, like rising to spirit heaven.
Such a one is simply dragged down into earth, in hell, with Satan, by or with, his dead physical body. The dead (i.e. their souls, spirits and physical bodies) are buried in the earth, in hell with Satan. Nothing rise to heaven, in three days, like Jesus Christ). The second coming of Jesus was and is, not for them.
John: 6 KJV N.T.
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The duty and priority of 'the dead' is to quicken their dead spirits. That is, become converted. Then they can be healed by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Fact is Jesus rose to heaven, in a spiritual body, three days after the physical Jesus was crucified (done away with). The death of the physical, seen' and temporal son of man Jesus and the rise of the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus was the regeneration. This occurred 2000 odd years ago.
Then the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus went ahead to prepare a place, in heaven, for those who follow Him in the regeneration.
In the above Jesus said: 'I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.'
This conveys that the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus will come to those who follow him, when they die and take them to heaven, in three days, into the mansion in God's house which He went ahead to prepare for them, so that where Jesus is, there they may be also:
Hebrews: 9 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Matthew: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
The above (John: 14 verses 2 & 3, KJV N.T.) does not say that a physical Jesus 'will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also'.
One can only follow the path which Jesus took to heaven.
Like Jesus, one (who follow Jesus in the regeneration) must die (loose one's physical body) and be regenerated in a spirit body. Then Jesus who is clad only in His Spirit body will meet and receive such a one. Such a one will be clad only in his/her spirit body. Then together they will rise to heaven in three days, "that where I am, there ye may be also." . . . This is the Christian path according to the Gospel of un-circumcision that was rendered onto Paul.
It is different under the Gospel that was rendered onto Peter.
Under the Gospel of circumcision that was rendered onto Peter, the dead are buried in the earth in hell with Satan. The dead means spiritually dead or unaware of one's spirit. When such a one dies, he has no awareness. He looses the only thing that he is aware of (i.e. his physical body). Although such a one is in his spirit body, he is not aware of his spirit body. He can do nothing in or through, his spirit body, like rising to spirit heaven.
Such a one is simply dragged down into earth, in hell, with Satan, by or with, his dead physical body. The dead (i.e. their souls, spirits and physical bodies) are buried in the earth, in hell with Satan. Nothing rise to heaven, in three days, like Jesus Christ). The second coming of Jesus was and is, not for them.
John: 6 KJV N.T.
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The duty and priority of 'the dead' is to quicken their dead spirits. That is, become converted. Then they can be healed by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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Confess before men... Do you believe Jesus is the revelation of YHWH in the Flesh? (1 Ti. 3:16)
I accept and I am guided by only the Holy KJV N.T.. All other renditions/versions of the N.T. are not inspired/revealed works. All other versions of the N.T. are the carnal/intellectual works of humans (whose aim is to undermine and/or exorcise the spirit and Spirit dimension that anchors the New Testament/Christianity).
Primarily I accept and I am guided by the following revelation in the Holy KJV N.T.
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
This means that I esteem, use, invoke and promote only those revelations which Jesus made to only the disciples in private sessions. Primary among those is the following:
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Therefore I seek and get All Truth only from the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Spirit of Jesus. And I recognize only those revelations which mention/relate to, the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth.
In order of importance, the second thing that Jesus told, privately, to only a disciple is:
Matthew: 8 KJV NT. But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.
The above says that Jesus actively had and actively served, two agendas with two different teachings and instructions, for two different sets of people. Both teachings and instructions are written in the Holy KJV N.T.
Jesus' first agenda is for Christians (i.e. those who follow Him in the regeneration). This agenda is spirit and Spirit based and require one to transgress the law and other tenants in scriptures so as to serve spirit unconditionally. This is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. (The law and the scriptures are a curse and killeth, respectively.) This commission is anchored on the Gospel of un-circumcision that was rendered onto Paul. Only this agenda and commission is Christian.
Romans 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Jesus' other agenda is for the dead. This is anchored on Peter (who was identified to be Satan) and the church of Peter/Satan. This agenda and church is Satanic (and not at all Christian):
Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
In Peter/Satan church 'the dead bury their dead'. This agenda and church are anchored on the gospel of circumcision. The gospel of circumcision is righteousness that is according to the ten commandments and other tenants in scriptures and canons etc. This church, commission and gospel is physically/Satanic/carnally oriented and based' on the follows commission which was rendered onto Peter/Satan:
1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
:idea::idea: You quoted 1 Timothy: 3 verse:16. This verse is a parable. Apart form being a parable which is not reliable as a source for truth this verse related to rest of 1 Timothy: 3
1 Timothy: 3 King James Version (KJV)
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
. . .
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; . . .
1 Timothy: 3 King James Version (KJV), (apart from being a parable and not reliable as a source for truth) relates to Peter/Satan commission and church.
Fact is only the Satan/Peter commission and church (which is only for 'the dead') has Bishops and Deacons.
Jesus' commission for the spiritually aware people who follow Him, (i.e. in His regeneration), is anchored by Teachers and Governors. (A teacher is a Guru, like in Gurucam). Teachers and Governors are not and never, Bishops and/or Deacons.
Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Being a Teacher and Governor for the current Age of Enlightenment in Christ (and not at all a Bishop or Deacons), . . . I must totally and absolutely ignore 1 Timothy: 3 King James Version (KJV) . . . and I do.
Also 1 Timothy: 3 King James Version (KJV) is not the Christian way and is not related to the Christian way.
1 Timothy: 3 King James Version (KJV) is not related to each follower getting individualized knowledge and guidance directly, privately, individually and intuitively from the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth, through each of their own hearts/spirits (which is the Christian way).
1 Timothy: 3 King James Version (KJV) relates to 'the dead' being managed by (human) Bishops and Deacons, like a heard (of animals) under generalized ideals and laws . . . according to:
1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan (Peter and his church) for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
'The dead' describes a person who is in the flesh (i.e. not yet 'converted'/spiritually aware/spiritually awakened). They require 'destruction of their flesh' to give way to their spirit/heart:
Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
'The dead' means dead to one's spirit, spiritually dead. 'The dead' describes people who are 'in the flesh'. They are also called Satan because they savor the things of man (flesh things) and not the things of God. (their treasures are on earth and not in heaven. they value earthly/temporal life above spirit/eternal life):
Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
In the above Peter was trying to influence Jesus into saving his temporal life (which is a thing of man) at the expense of serving his spirit/eternal life (which is a thing of God).
I am not given to be a Bishop, Deacon, etc. (who are only for 'the dead'). Under Grace of God, in the body of Christ, I am given to be a Teacher (Guru) and Governor for aspiring Christians and babes in Christ.
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wow, this is a hefty claim. on the same token, there are many claim to be a teacher in this forum too.