drbrumley
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Spot on
How many people actually caught measles from the vaccination?
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Spot on
drbrumley
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:noway:
elohiym
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Yeah. Quacks.
No ... it's a policy. She does have the option of going elsewhere. Unemployment is not meant for people who get fired for willfully disregarding their employer's policies.
It probably helps. Cancer and heart disease really came on after the low fat, high fiber, low cholesterol thing kicked off. Cancer is cell damage and it can not take in oxygen. The cells need to take in fatty acids, the natural kind from animals to absorb the things it needs. Cholesterol helps carry this into the brain.
Like Alzheimer's. It isn't that hard to connect the dots in all of this. I personally know a few that took the LDL lowering meds, and they picked up Alzheimer's after the fact. It blocks LDL, which carries the nutrients to the brain. Why this is not talked about can only be because of mal intentions. Make money selling drugs and chemo.
elohiym
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Perhaps by preventing a measles infection that would destroy the cancer.
"It is of note that a number of viral strains, including certain derivatives of the attenuated live measles virus Edmonston (MV-Edm) vaccine strain, demonstrate a propensity to preferentially infect, propagate in, and destroy cancerous tissues."
In other words, a measles infection could cure cancer. See Clinical testing of engineered oncolytic measles virus strains in the treatment of cancer: An overview
I read about a case in 1970 where an infant with Hodgkin's scheduled for radiation treatment had his treatment delayed by an infection of measles. When the measles cleared the infant's cancer was gone.
elohiym
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The crazy thing is that researchers have used HCG with tetanus as a birth control vaccine. Here is the paper from PubMed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9083611
The HSD-hCG vaccine prevents pregnancy in women: feasibility study of a reversible safe contraceptive vaccine.
It was successful.
elohiym
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Of morons managing quacks.
Daedalean's_Sun
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Given the general success of campaigns against Polio and Smallpox, the international medical community has been pushing for the eradication of diseases. Though there are certain criteria for what diseases can and should be eradicated. Measles has been on that list of some time primarily because it can be cheaply and effectively prevented on a large scale, and occurs only in humans (and therefore lacks a reservoir, to lie in wait in animal populations before re-emerging).
You are more reasonable than many in this thread.
I would liken them to medicine in the sense that the safety varies from one to the other, and should be examined on a case by case basis. If someone is making a sweeping generalization about all vaccines, nearly always they have an axe to grind.
This is going to horrify every anti-vacciner, but every live virus vaccine causes a mild infection of the weakened virus. This is why you get such a powerful response by your immune system, and such strong immunity.
The problem is that if your immunity is badly damaged to begin with, you can actually get sick. Or even seriously ill, or even die.
I recall smallpox vaccine caused deaths in about 3 out of 1,000,000 people vaccinated, but of course, the disease is much worse than measles. So there's no guarantees in life.
But the smart people have their kids vaccinated, because the odds favor vaccination.
The problem is that if your immunity is badly damaged to begin with, you can actually get sick. Or even seriously ill, or even die.
I recall smallpox vaccine caused deaths in about 3 out of 1,000,000 people vaccinated, but of course, the disease is much worse than measles. So there's no guarantees in life.
But the smart people have their kids vaccinated, because the odds favor vaccination.
Daedalean's_Sun
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Daedalean's_Sun
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And for good reason.
I did some coursework in immunology in graduate school, and operated an immunology clinic in the AF for about 6 years.
And I notice that those who talk most about "vaccine education" tend to be those with the lowest level of understanding about immunology and vaccines.
And I notice that those who talk most about "vaccine education" tend to be those with the lowest level of understanding about immunology and vaccines.
Daedalean's_Sun
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I think the MMR should be a requirement for children attending public or private school, and for those that work in hospitals, retirement homes, and other public health fields.
Visible lot numbers? Could you clarify?
Daedalean's_Sun
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So to answer the question, including batch numbers and expiration dates on the bottle are a good practice to have. Is that what you wanted to know?
Daedalean's_Sun
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Originally all MMR vaccines were single dose.
| During 1978, the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (DHEW) initiated a Measles Elimination Program with the goal of eliminating indigenous measles from the United States by October 1, 1982. The three components of this program were a) maintenance of high levels of immunity with a single dose of measles vaccine, b) enhanced surveillance of disease, and c) aggressive outbreak control. As a result of this program, the number of cases reported annually decreased from 26,871 during 1978 to 1,497 during 1983. However, an average of 3,750 cases was reported each year during 1984-1988; 58% of these cases occurred among children aged greater than or equal to 10 years, most of whom had received only one dose of measles vaccine (9). Recurrent measles outbreaks among vaccinated school-aged children prompted both the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) in 1989 to recommend that all children receive two doses of measles-containing vaccine, preferably as MMR. Although administration of the second dose was originally recommended either at entry to primary school (ACIP) or middle/ secondary school (AAP), ACIP, the AAP, and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) now recommend that a child receive the second dose before school entry, rather than delaying it until the child is aged 11-12 years. |
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The two dose immunization schedule proved to be more effective. This became the standard.
Ok. That is reasonable.
elohiym
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elohiym
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You apparently didn't understand the question. Why not offer a vaccine for measles alone (single) instead of combining it in the MMR? Some parents would like to have the option to have singles instead of the combo.
The justification for the double dose was vaccine failure, yet we are to believe that a vaccine with such high failure rates was the reason for the reduction in measles cases at the time it was failing. Consider there was a war on poverty in the United States occurring during the decrease that would have had a significant impact on measles cases. Interestingly, both the incidence and death rates for measles had been declining long before the introduction of the vaccine. I've read that if the decline had continued at that rate without a vaccine available, measles would have been eliminated by 2000; coincidentally the CDC claimed that measles were eliminated in 2000.