elohiym
Well-known member
The U.S. governments actions have caused masses of people to stop taking vaccines. They abused children to accomplish goals. Isn't that what Wakefield allegedly did that people are whining about?
How many people actually caught measles from the vaccination?
- Thread starter ebenz47037
- Start date
The U.S. governments actions have caused masses of people to stop taking vaccines. They abused children to accomplish goals. Isn't that what Wakefield allegedly did that people are whining about?
Daedalean's_Sun
New member
Ahem...mild fever.
Not a stepwise fever of greater than 37.7'C as with measles. A reaction to the vaccine with a fever of this severity, only occurs between 1% and 6% of the time. See my previous source:
"a temperature greater than 37.7 C (1%-6%) have been among the most frequently reported side effects among adults and children receiving vaccine (8-12)"
Whereas this is a prodrome of mealses wild-type.
Once again, no honest investigator is going to conclude that acquiring human-strain measles from other infected individuals is safer than the attenuated vaccine.
This is why national and international health organizations, clinical research institutes, and hospitals alike recommend getting the vaccine.
If you have a family doctor go ask him (or her) if the benefits of the measles vaccine outweighs the risk. You know the answer.
Daedalean's_Sun
New member
Except we are discussing the efficacy of the MMR vaccine, not the ethics of U.S. foreign policy. You and I would probably be inclined to agree on the latter.
1PeaceMaker
New member
elaborate.
Yes, it does exist, like measles. Researchers still don't know enough about measles to eradicate it, either.
Oh, yes, I am willing to bet that all of them had improperly functioning immune systems at the time their measles crisis began. They were most likely malnourished in the extreme.
You want to find me a confirmed case of a healthy, disease-resistant immune system that was destroyed (to death) by a simple case of measles? Because you'd have to do that.
Find a person, one person who had been proven to have a healthy immune system before being killed by measles. Not young, not athletic, not pretty. Proof their immune system was fully sound, and was destroyed by measles, not antibiotics or other drugs.
1PeaceMaker
New member
And that's why I discourage measles parties? Ha! You are hilarious.
1PeaceMaker
New member
Correct. Nobody here is doing that. Both have risks; both strains may need to be avoided. If you get enough wild measles exposure at once, some deficient individuals can even get hemorrhagic measles.
Any doctor worthy of his license knows better than to force-vaccinate because of his willingness to ignore one set of risks in favor of another without consideration for the intellectual, philosophical or religious concerns of the parents.
In short, the risks should be ours to weigh and take, not someone else's.
So you leave people unprotected into adulthood when measles is far worse to deal with. There is a reason vaccines were developed and there is no denying that the vaccines have saved lives.
1PeaceMaker
New member
The only people that I would leave "unprotected" (as though a vaccine is the only form of protection) from a vaccine would be MY children who would be more exposed to risk by getting a vaccine in the first place.
Vaccines may have saved lives, but it's undisputed that they've taken some, as well.
elohiym
Well-known member
Those same people have a vested interest in finding out that live attenuated viruses can mutate and become virulent, and that vaccinated people can still contract and spread measles. You seem to want to mislead them to believe it's non-vaccinated, non-infected people that are a danger to them.
Disneyland, 2014.
Please post some recent articles that discuss the rate of an attenuated virus mutating into a virulent form. You repeat this claim frequently as if it is a fairly common occurrence. Please prove your assertion.
By all means, please show is the comparisons between deaths due to wild measles and deaths due to a vaccine. I don't dispute your claim, I am simply asking you to provide the relative risk of death for measles versus vaccines.
elohiym
Well-known member
You want him to not forget something that isn't true? The majority don't vaccinate for non-medical reasons. Primary immune deficiency diseases are rare and could only be a tiny fraction of medical exemptions.
elohiym
Well-known member
Why don't you do that? You're the one pushing vaccines for the irrational fear of a mild and harmless infection.
On the other thread that I've seen you lurking on several times, I presented a survey of 53,008 cases of measles in England prior to vaccine introduction. Only twelve deaths from complications were reported (.02%).
The insert for MMRII claims death among the potential side effects of the vaccine.
elohiym
Well-known member
None of what he posted was true. Primary immune deficiency diseases (PIDD) are rare. There couldn't be many medical exemptions for PIDD.
If hundreds of children die each year riding bicycles, should we ban bicycles?
elohiym
Well-known member
elohiym
Well-known member
You're mistaken.
The fear is in you. It was your fear of a mild and harmless measles infection that allowed people to sell you an intentional infection of the same virus. They put a "measles party" in a bottle and convinced you it was safer for you than getting a natural measles infection. You fell for the sales pitch and brought your child to be intentionally infected despite the fact that "the design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate."
elohiym
Well-known member
The only reason we are discussing fever is because of febrile seizures. The risk of febrile seizures with MMRV is .08%, the risk of febrile seizures from natural measles infection is .1%. :yawn:
Putting it in bold doesn't make it true.
Fact: The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate.
You are disturbingly naive.
Unsurprisingly, the answer varies. Keep pretending that some medical doctors are not among those critical of vaccines and vaccination policies.
So no response from you. Just more fear mongering. Noted.
So are complications from measles vaccines and yet, here we are.
Given that an accident riding a bicycle and a viral infection are not even remotely related, I've wasted enough time on this response.