How I KNOW it is God's will to heal all who desire it
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Lon at post 140
You have me simply waving my hand at such high blown selflessness.
It is Hindooism.
But just to answer Job and the blind man in John....
....they were both healed
You are not at liberty to slip into scripture that Paul's thorn in the flesh was sickness. Paul explains fully what it was.
You have me simply waving my hand at such high blown selflessness.
It is Hindooism.
But just to answer Job and the blind man in John....
....they were both healed
You are not at liberty to slip into scripture that Paul's thorn in the flesh was sickness. Paul explains fully what it was.
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What passage? Give it.
Lon
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Why do you care about your flesh so much? :idunno:
Not only did God not heal Job, He SPECIFICALLY allowed the disease. Not only was the man blind, he was born that way, and I quote: John 9:3 ...that the works of God might be displayed in him.
:nono: Start a separate thread perhaps.
Lon
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"Give it"?
Read the chapter, it is both about an infirmity in Paul's flesh, and a preoccupation with flesh in others.
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Word based mystic
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God desires His children to be healthy.
At times through tribulations and trials God uses sickness for a growing process
But usually the scripture shows a healing after physical sickness or the demonic attack of the body.
Christ used healings to validate the reality of His ministry, But also and mostly because He had compassion on those whom asked.
(One) of the methods We as believers validate the reality of and power of Jesus Christ to the PRESENT GENERATION is through "these signs shall follow those whom (believe)"
I have especially seen this dynamic as our missionary groups go to (new) people groups and tribes.
Otherwise those people groups and/or tribes dismiss the words without the power and more rely on their shamans and witches that actually can demonstrate supernatural power in the physical/earth realm.
Do we die. Yes. our bodies decay due to sin. 2 cor 4:16
Does Christ desire us to live our christian lives in constant sickness and demonic attacks on our bodies. NO
We put on the armor of Christ to protect us in all aspects of our being.
Not just our future eternal state after resurrection.
We In Christ has faith and are commanded to pray for the sick in many different methods. Whether through elders or through individual faith out of love.
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers.
On earth as it is in heaven. This is a method God wants us to have faith for and develop our faith to grow through praying. there is no sickness in heaven.
God is preparing us as He forms and shapes us (for living in eternity)
We Grow in grace (empowerment) and knowledge here on earth.
we are encouraged to overcome and have authority over demonic forces.
sadly many (minimalists) look to limit how God responds to His peoples prayers and faith.
At times through tribulations and trials God uses sickness for a growing process
But usually the scripture shows a healing after physical sickness or the demonic attack of the body.
Christ used healings to validate the reality of His ministry, But also and mostly because He had compassion on those whom asked.
(One) of the methods We as believers validate the reality of and power of Jesus Christ to the PRESENT GENERATION is through "these signs shall follow those whom (believe)"
I have especially seen this dynamic as our missionary groups go to (new) people groups and tribes.
Otherwise those people groups and/or tribes dismiss the words without the power and more rely on their shamans and witches that actually can demonstrate supernatural power in the physical/earth realm.
Do we die. Yes. our bodies decay due to sin. 2 cor 4:16
Does Christ desire us to live our christian lives in constant sickness and demonic attacks on our bodies. NO
We put on the armor of Christ to protect us in all aspects of our being.
Not just our future eternal state after resurrection.
We In Christ has faith and are commanded to pray for the sick in many different methods. Whether through elders or through individual faith out of love.
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers.
On earth as it is in heaven. This is a method God wants us to have faith for and develop our faith to grow through praying. there is no sickness in heaven.
God is preparing us as He forms and shapes us (for living in eternity)
We Grow in grace (empowerment) and knowledge here on earth.
we are encouraged to overcome and have authority over demonic forces.
sadly many (minimalists) look to limit how God responds to His peoples prayers and faith.
JosephR
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how minimal is a minimalists?
oatmeal
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Paul's epistles were usually dictated by Paul to another, Galatians he did the writing himself.
Paul was humble enough to write the book of Galatians without a scribe to write it down for him.
He demonstrated Galatians 6:10 by his lifestyle.
Galatians 6:11 KJV
Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.
Evidently, you have reading comprehension challenges and love to speculate about Paul's state of health based on the size of his letters. How is your eyesight?
Word based mystic
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Now that we Have and are in Christ and The Holy Spirit dwells within us.
Do we no longer (believe) that we can do the things Christ did or previous believers did?
Or Now that we Have The Holy Spirit are we less capable of praying for on earth as it is in heaven
Do we no longer believe that we should ask (not amiss) and that God will not give us what we ask for if It is in HIS Will.
A minimalist takes a faith activity or prayer response from God and says It is now only a conceptual and emotional healing.
And that prior commands and commissions that involve faith and supernatural expressions are not how God wants to work on the earth anymore.
Many people develop their doctrine or beliefs from their experience or lack of experience.
Do we no longer (believe) that we can do the things Christ did or previous believers did?
Or Now that we Have The Holy Spirit are we less capable of praying for on earth as it is in heaven
Do we no longer believe that we should ask (not amiss) and that God will not give us what we ask for if It is in HIS Will.
A minimalist takes a faith activity or prayer response from God and says It is now only a conceptual and emotional healing.
And that prior commands and commissions that involve faith and supernatural expressions are not how God wants to work on the earth anymore.
Many people develop their doctrine or beliefs from their experience or lack of experience.
There is no need to open a thread, Paul explains what the thorn in his flesh was.
I am not concerned about my flesh...this thread is not about my flesh. I am overwhelmed by God's loving kindness toward me.
But you are far wrong. Incidently "that the works of God may be made manifest in him" was his healing, not his blindness.
I put it to you bluntly...are you sure you have the mind of Christ in this matter? Is it important to you that you should?
One Sabbath day the Lord was in the temple and there was a man with a withered hand, Jesus called him forward and asked the people "Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath or to do evil? to restore or destroy?"
And the people did not answer Him
Jesus looked around on them in anger grieved at their hardness of heart.
Could it be that the Lord is looking at the western church like that? it is a rare occasion in the gospels where the Lord's facial expression is mentioned, Mark is Peter's memoirs. That must have been some look the Lord gave.
"Which of you having a donkey, if it fall into a pit on the Sabbath will not immediately pull him out and let him go?"
I have barely skirted this subject. I am appalled, in very town and city there are lunatic asylums, where men and women are kept like wild animals...in padded cells because they would hurt them selves. Restrained or they would run in the graveyards nude.
They are exactly the same as the demon possessed mentioned in the bible....we lock them away. And I am not saying all mental illness is demon possession.
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