Have you been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ?

RealityJerk

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If Jesus has already reconciled us and the world unto God then what good is Calvinism, Catholicism or any religion? The Gospel of reconciliation makes all doctrines and religions worthless.

"And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ and has given unto us the ministry of reconciliation. To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation" 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

The word or ministry of reconciliation is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is the preaching of the Gospel that brings people to Christ and reconciles them to God.

Reconciliation is a two way street. Just because you have been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ does not mean that you are saved. God has extended his hand of forgiveness to all who will receive his Son Jesus Christ as their savior. To reject Christ is to reject God's offer of reconciliation. Nothing is ours until it is received by faith, John 1:12.

HOW JESUS HAS RECONCILED US AND THE WORLD UNTO GOD.

In the Gospel Jesus comes into the world as God's new Adam and our new humanity. The old Adamic humanity was put to death in Jesus Christ, Romans 6:6. Jesus's mission is to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves because we are sinners, Romans 3:23. God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners. Jesus in our name and on our behalf fulfills every jot and tittle of God's Holy Law, Matthew 5:18, It was the life of Christ that was lived for our justification, Romans 3:26.

As wonderful as that is, it was not enough. Something had to be done about our sins and the sins of the whole world. Jesus took our sins and the sins of the whole world upon himself and atoned for them, 1 John 2:2. As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been destroyed. Jesus now sits in heaven as the, "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. ALL THINGS have been reconciled unto God by his Son Jesus Christ.

"And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in the earth, or things in heaven" Colossians 1:20.

God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is our new representative humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17. This is indeed a sad thing for Calvinist, Catholics and others that are trying to be reconciled unto God by some other way than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Your religion has been destroyed by the reconciling power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you want to be saved, believe in and call on the name of the Lord and you shall be saved. Romans 10:13.

Double speak. It's not God that is extending, it's those who claim to represent him who are doing the extending and preaching. Those who claim to represent God, often do it quite poorly. God would never rely on fallible, flawed, human beings to redeem His creation. Through the first Adam, we were consigned to disease and death. Corruption. Whether we knew it or not, whether we had faith in the first Adam or not, his disobedience resulted in our destruction. However, the second Adam, His obedience brings us resurrection and life. Jesus, the second Adam, is resurrection and life, whether you know it or not, whether you believe it or not, one day you will rise from the dead and live again.


The elect are those who hear the good news of Christ's work and are drawn by the heavenly Father to faith and repentance (re-generation, a change of mind). These unique individuals, don't experience the 1st nor the 2nd death. When an actual disciple of Jesus Christ dies, they wake up in heaven with Christ. They are the ones, "born above". The term "born again", in the Greek is more accurately translated "Born Above" or "Born Again Above". So, every true Christian is just not here on earth. There is a part of them that actually exists in heaven and will be fully realized when their mortal bodies die. They have a spirit body, and this spirit body will in the day of resurrection unite with their resurrected body (all human beings are incomplete, until they are united with their resurrection bodies. Our nature is a composite unity, not fully spirit, not fully material. Both. ).

The elect, are members of Christ's royal family and they will reign over the nations as angels,alongside Christ, who is the King of Kings. Those who are not of the elect, experience the first death, where they enter into a sleep like state, that is extremely unpleasant. It's not "soul sleep" or unconsciousness, it's rather a state of slumber, on the brink of non-existence. The demons can summon human souls that are in this state, to torment them, use them..etc. This is the first state of the human dead. We are a composite unity of body, mind and spirit. So we are incomplete without our bodies.

The only ones that can live in the human realm/mansion of heaven, are the regenerated human elect in Christ. And even they will be re-united with their resurrected bodies and made complete, in the first resurrection. Both the earthly righteous (good people), and the human elect in heaven will be united with their resurrected bodies at that time. Everyone survives the first death, both the righteous, those that are good, meeting God's standard of righteousness for human beings and the wicked. Both of these two groups of human beings, eventually survive the first death. One of them however will be forced into the lake of fire, or in other words, will be annihilated, in what the bible calls the "Second Death". The second death is reserved for Satan and his minions, both spirit and human.

The righteous are those that, even though they weren't perfect, they met God's standard of righteousness for fallible human beings. They suffered for their sin in the first death and are risen from the dead thanks to Christ's work on the cross. Without Christ's suffering, their suffering would be of no value. It would be useless in raising them from death. There wouldn't be enough merit or value there for them to raise themselves up. That takes a jolt or jump start of merit or divine glory and power, that only Jesus can deliver. But nonetheless, the righteous suffer in the first death and when they resurrect, their torment is over. They inherit the earth and every planet in this galaxy.

This universe is ruined. The ruins of a cosmic battle. The fallen angels entered into this dimension and contaminated the nursery. This is a nursery for baby angels. This is the place where angels are born. Angels are born here in the physical realm, then they evolve and eventually ascend into the spirit realm. But the war, disrupted that process and the nursery was burned down. Very few of the infants survived. The archangel needed a special place to incarnate, hence Israel was created, to create a holy place, free of idolatry and demonic worship. Worship of the fallen ones.

The archangel wasn't going to allow Himself to be sacrificed to an idol, as the idolaters often did. Offering their children to demons. Israel had to create an environment free of idolatry, demon worship. They achieved it by the first century and the angel of the covenant incarnated among the Israelites. Salvation is of the Jews. It comes through them, in Christ. Jesus Christ, the salvation of YHWH, the eternal LOGOS and Archangel. Micha'El/LIKE-GOD. The one who is Like God. The one who bears the Name of YHWH. The angel that once held the position of Lucifer, tried to usurp the position of the Archangel, and was defeated. He thought he could take His place, but he was wrong and a large number of angels fell into His error.

They tried to destroy the nursery, but they failed. In the end, God will win, and this universe will be restored. The true Christians, the genuine disciples of Jesus Christ, in this life, reign with Jesus over the nations. They are members of Christ's royal family. They are among the angels, and will guide the righteous of the nations, that were not consumed by the second death of the wicked.

With fear and trembling, make your calling and election sure, that you may not suffer the first or second death. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Even though you die, you will live. To be dead in Christ, is to be alive and present with him in the celestial realm. You have a realm or "mansion", reserved for you, in the upper worlds. Only the elect have this. True Christians. The good news is that Jesus Christ, is the resurrection and the life, and paid the ransom for all of humanity. He holds the keys.
 

glorydaz

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Double speak. It's not God that is extending, it's those who claim to represent him who are doing the extending and preaching. Those who claim to represent God, often do it quite poorly. God would never rely on fallible, flawed, human beings to redeem His creation.

How can they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:14 :chew:

Believers are ambassadors for Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.​


Those who are not of the elect, experience the first death, where they enter into a sleep like state, that is extremely unpleasant. It's not "soul sleep" or unconsciousness, it's rather a state of slumber, on the brink of non-existence. The demons can summon human souls that are in this state, to torment them, use them..etc.

:kookoo:
 

RealityJerk

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How can they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:14 :chew:

Believers are ambassadors for Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.​




:kookoo:

The preaching of the gospel is for the purpose of informing the world of Christ's work, giving people a new perspective on life. It's also a way of gathering the elect, or the members of Christ's royal family, who will reign with Him over the nations. The resurrection is purchased, by Christ's perfect obedience to the Heavenly Father's will, and His death and inevitable resurrection. Death could not hold him. He paid the ransom, and it doesn't matter if you're a Christian or not, a member of Christ's royal family or not, you will rise from the dead and if you're not a Christian you will be judged. The righteous will inherit the earth, the wicked will perish. The elect, will be like the angels, managing the universe as the holy angels do today.
 

glorydaz

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The preaching of the gospel is for the purpose of informing the world of Christ's work, giving people a new perspective on life.

We preach the Gospel because it is the POWER of God unto salvation. Salvation is not a "new perspective on life". It is, in fact, life.
 

RealityJerk

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We preach the Gospel because it is the POWER of God unto salvation. Salvation is not a "new perspective on life". It is, in fact, life.

The elect are gathered, being born above, saved from the first death and the world hears the fact that Jesus Christ paid the ransom for their lives. The fact everyone is going to resurrect, demonstrates the power of Christ's work. Nonetheless, humanity will be judged according to their deeds and it is that which will determine who inherits the earth and who doesn't. The Christians are like the angels, they're in a whole different category than the nations, or the righteous of the nations. We are not judged, because we are already born above and regenerated, being sanctified by Jesus. Justified and Sanctified.

There are three destinies for human beings. Heaven, as an angel, earth as a righteous member of the nations that are governed by the angels, and the lake of fire/destruction. Three destinies.
 

glorydaz

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The elect are gathered, being born above, saved from the first death and the world hears the fact that Jesus Christ paid the ransom for their lives. The fact everyone is going to resurrect, demonstrates the power of Christ's work. Nonetheless, humanity will be judged according to their deeds and it is that which will determine who inherits the earth and who doesn't. The Christians are like the angels, they're in a whole different category than the nations, or the righteous of the nations. We are not judged, because we are already born above and regenerated, being sanctified by Jesus. Justified and Sanctified.

There are three destinies for human beings. Heaven, as an angel, earth as a righteous member of the nations that are governed by the angels, and the lake of fire/destruction. Three destinies.

Yes, you can ramble on, but you continue to ignore why we preach the Gospel to the lost.
 

RealityJerk

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Yes, you can ramble on, but you continue to ignore why we preach the Gospel to the lost.

Only the wicked are lost, not the righteous of the nations, thanks to Christ's death and resurrection. The preaching of the gospel is for the gathering of the elect, that they may be born again above with Christ. That's the main purpose of the preaching of the gospel. True Christians don't have to experience the first or the second death. For them there is no death, just life. However, those who aren't Christians, even when they suffer the first death, if they were righteous (good people, following the law of God written on their hearts. Following their Godly conscience.), they will not perish, thanks to Christ paying the ransom.

I'm not a member of the "Twelve Tribes" organization but their views on the three destinies of man, is exactly what I believe about salvation. You can read about it here:

http://3eternaldestinies.org/for-christians-only/
 
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God's Truth

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More spam. Can you stop spamming the thread ? Now Gods word says those Christ died for were by His death reconciled to God while being enemies Rom 5:10

You are so dishonest. Do you really think that is spam? Isn't there anyone around here who cares what they say and whether it is true or not?
 

glorydaz

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Only the wicked are lost, not the righteous of the nations, thanks to Christ's death and resurrection. The preaching of the gospel is for the gathering of the elect, that they may be born again above with Christ. That's the main purpose of the preaching of the gospel. True Christians don't have to experience the first or the second death. For them there is no death, just life. However, those who aren't Christians, even when they suffer the first death, if they were righteous (good people, following the law of God written on their hearts. Following their Godly conscience.), they will not perish, thanks to Christ paying the ransom.

I'm not a member of the "Twelve Tribes" organization but their views on the three destinies of man, is exactly what I believe about salvation. You can read about it here:

http://3eternaldestinies.org/for-christians-only/

No, I've read enough of your nonsense. I don't need any more.
 

Lazy afternoon

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Only the wicked are lost, not the righteous of the nations, thanks to Christ's death and resurrection. The preaching of the gospel is for the gathering of the elect, that they may be born again above with Christ. That's the main purpose of the preaching of the gospel. True Christians don't have to experience the first or the second death. For them there is no death, just life. However, those who aren't Christians, even when they suffer the first death, if they were righteous (good people, following the law of God written on their hearts. Following their Godly conscience.), they will not perish, thanks to Christ paying the ransom.

I'm not a member of the "Twelve Tribes" organization but their views on the three destinies of man, is exactly what I believe about salvation. You can read about it here:

http://3eternaldestinies.org/for-christians-only/

There is only one eternal destiny for all saved men--

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 

Robert Pate

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Only the wicked are lost, not the righteous of the nations, thanks to Christ's death and resurrection. The preaching of the gospel is for the gathering of the elect, that they may be born again above with Christ. That's the main purpose of the preaching of the gospel. True Christians don't have to experience the first or the second death. For them there is no death, just life. However, those who aren't Christians, even when they suffer the first death, if they were righteous (good people, following the law of God written on their hearts. Following their Godly conscience.), they will not perish, thanks to Christ paying the ransom.

I'm not a member of the "Twelve Tribes" organization but their views on the three destinies of man, is exactly what I believe about salvation. You can read about it here:

http://3eternaldestinies.org/for-christians-only/


No scripture means no credibility. Paul says that there are none that are righteous, Romans 3:10.
 

God's Truth

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No scripture means no credibility. Paul says that there are none that are righteous, Romans 3:10.

Paul is quoting Psalm14:1-3; 53:1-3; and Ecclesiastes 7:20. Ecclesiastes SAYS there is not a RIGHTEOUS man who does what is right and NEVER SINS. Ecclesiastes tells us that there ARE RIGHTEOUS men but none who NEVER sin. Paul is explaining that the Jews were sinners just like the Gentiles. Nowhere in these passages or scriptures anywhere does it say none can believe on their own. In this same Ecclesiastes 7, Solomon tells us about wise men, righteous men, and about a man who pleases God. Solomon also tells us that he found one upright man among a thousand. The Bible tells us that there are people who want to do right.
 

beloved57

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All good scripture, but only if you believe it.

The doctrine of reconciliation refutes the teaching that you can be reconciled unto God by being predestinated or by being re- habilitated by Catholicism.

Jesus did all that was necessary for us to be reconciled unto God. The only thing that is required of us is that we receive and believe the offer of reconciliation.

False teaching. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death even while thet are enemies Rom 5:10 !
 

beloved57

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You are so dishonest. Do you really think that is spam? Isn't there anyone around here who cares what they say and whether it is true or not?

That is all you do is spam up threads with your nonsense. Those Christ died for were reconciled to God by His Death while they were enemies. Rom 5:10
 

RealityJerk

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The reason we die physically and spiritually, is due to Adam's error. He named the animals and his wife Eve. When you name something, you give it a nature. A name expresses the nature of a thing or person. All life on earth devolved from Adam. It didn't evolve, it devolved. What was once good, became corrupted and began to die. That's why all of creation groans for the manifestation of YHWH's children. For the new creation.

So through one man we were all cursed and consigned to disease and death, whether you know it or not. Whether you believe it or not, it doesn't matter, it's the way it is. It's the reality. Likewise, the second Adam's obedience, functions and takes effect in a similar way. The second Adam, Christ, unlike the first Adam, didn't fall. He was in perfect alignment with YHWH's will. His frequency of alignment was one with YHWH's, hence death couldn't hold him. They killed him and he rose again alive. Death could not destroy him. He paid the ransom for everybody, for all of creation. It's paid. The reason the righteous and the wicked are risen from the grave and don't perish, is thanks to Him. What he did, whether you know it or not.

Those who are "born again above", comprise the remnant bride and elect of Christ. They are members of His royal family. The first fruits of the resurrection. We are resurrected in spirit above, so when we die, if we are truly His disciples, we will find ourselves in Christ's presence, in the human mansion or realm of the spirit dimension. Higher heavens. There's no death for the bride of Christ, the body of Christ on earth. Even when you die physically, there is a part of you alive, above. You won't experience the first or the second death. That is just one of the many benefits of being a true disciple of Jesus. You will also reign with Him, over the nations.

Your guardian angel, is you. Your angel, looks just like you, because he or she is you. The higher and redeemed you, is here in time and space, watching you. Accompanying you through all of the trials of life. There are many trials for the disciples of Jesus Christ. But your angel, is with you and protects you. Transmitting divine spirit and power, in Jesus name, to you. Energizing and cleansing you of all unrighteousness. Peter's angel, looked like him, because it was him. The true him from the future, visiting him in time, to assist him. This is difficult to understand.

If you are a true Christian, a disciple of Jesus, you will inherit His immortal, divine nature. You will be like Him. You will live in the human realm/mansion of the higher spirits/angels. There's no sun or light bulbs there, everything glows and is alive, infused by YHWH's spirit and power. No more tears, all is whole and complete there.

Everyone who is righteous in this life, is not necessarily of the elect. There are good people here, that will unfortunately suffer the first death. They will have to experience the torment of the first death. Being on the brink of annihilation. The demons summon human souls and mock and torment them. They try to recruit the human dead, to assist them in oppressing and entering the bodies of living humans. The righteous dead, are risen in the first resurrection, thanks to Christ's work on the cross. His blood secures their resurrection. They will be awarded with eternal life, inheriting the earth. These are the nations that are governed by the bride of Christ. The elect, who are in heaven with Jesus.

The wicked rise from the dead, in the second resurrection. They're judged and condemned with the devil and his fallen angels. They are all cast into the lake of fire, which is the consuming fire of YHWH's presence. The glory of YHWH is a consuming fire for the wicked, and heavenly bliss and peace for the righteous. The devil and his minions will be annihilated. This is the second death of complete destruction. Blessed are those who aren't condemned to the second death.

So, this is the plan of the ages and those who teach you otherwise, are offtrack. The "god" of this aeon or age, has been defeated. The children of YHWH will inherit the next aeon and the righteous will inherit the earth and all of the universe, including every single planet that revolves around the earth. I can show you how even in this fallen universe, the earth is the center of the universe. I can provide you with proof, if you're interested. So human life, will expand out into the universe. The bride of Christ, the elect, will be like the angels, guiding the nations, until they (the righteous nations), also become angels. It's all a process. YHWH doesn't use the microwave, he uses the oven. He's a master chef. No TV diners. His plans are always gourmet and full of substance, nothing cheap and quick here. It's of the highest value and quality.

Pray to your heavenly father and ask Him to confirm everything you've read here. You will receive confirmation.
 

RealityJerk

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You outright reject the Word of God Rom5:10 ! Now go ahead and spam it up !

The Living Word Of God is Christ, a person you can commune with, not a book. Notice how practically all of your proof-texting from this book, doesn't even come from Christ or His 12 apostles. Why is that? Why do you cite someone as your main reference, that wasn't one of the 12 apostles of Christ? You rely on paper and ink, because you lack faith and the Spirit of God. The Word of God is a person, not a book. The book is only profitable and good for instruction in righteousness, provided you're an actual born again disciple of Christ, a member of His body. Otherwise, the bible will kill you. It's poison fruit for the unregenerate mind. It only increases your delusion and hypocrisy, until it destroys you.
 

beloved57

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The Living Word Of God is Christ, a person you can commune with, not a book. Notice how practically all of your proof-texting from this book, doesn't even come from Christ or His 12 apostles. Why is that? Why do you cite someone as your main reference, that wasn't one of the 12 apostles of Christ? You rely on paper and ink, because you lack faith and the Spirit of God. The Word of God is a person, not a book. The book is only profitable and good for instruction in righteousness, provided you're an actual born again disciple of Christ, a member of His body. Otherwise, the bible will kill you. It's poison fruit for the unregenerate mind. It only increases your delusion and hypocrisy, until it destroys you.

Huh ? This is a wild rabbit trail !
 
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