Has All Been Fulfilled? Have Heaven and Earth Passed?

[TweetyBird]

The part in the commandment itself where it clearly states it was given to the stranger foreigner non native non Israelite...even the animals were to receive rest...the part where God says the Sabbath was made for man not just Israel...the part where whosoever believeth in Him will Love Him and keep His commandments...

The Sabbath was for the foreigner within the cities/congregation of Israel and for those who joined their community - which required circumcision. But the Sabbath was not given to the nations. This is why God gave the Sabbath to Israel only, their animals included, not the animals of the entire earth.

God did not say the Sabbath was made for man in the OT.

Keeping the Sabbath was not a commandment in the NT.

If you are going to quote verses from the Mosaic Law and think that all of them are to be kept, then you have a whole lot of work to do to keep up to speed on them - and I really do not think it's going to be pleasant for you. Start at Ex 20 and keep on reading to end of that book, just for starters.

The part where at creation He made EVERYTHING for ALL mankind but you think He kept Sabbath for Israel...at that creation man was created in His image to do as He did...since He rested on the seventh day we should too...that is the patterned example

God never told anyone to rest on the Sabbath Day but the children of Israel.

The part where Isaiah says all nations will come and worship Sabbath to Sabbath...the part where Paul is clear we who are of Jesus Christ are grafted into the trunk and root of Israel...that root and trunk keeps the Sabbath...

Paul did not say we are grafted into Israel. We are grafted into Christ Jesus. Those from all nations who come to Jesus Christ as in His Sabbath Rest. Jesus said that all the law and prophets were fulfilled concerning Himself. Jesus did not keep the Sabbath Day. You keep ignoring the fact that He said He did His Father's work on the Sabbath.

He didn't have to...they volunteered to leave Egypt and journey into the desert with a foreign God to receive His literal Sabbath day rest...Exodus 12:38 makes that clear that they wanted to go along...as later it is repeated the same Law for Israel and the non Israelite.

Those Egyptians were considered part of Israel. They were no longer Gentiles. Exodus calls Israel a mixed multitude, and as part of Israel, they were given the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not given to the Gentile nations, not ever. In fact, the Sabbath was never given to the Gentiles, even in the NT.

 

[TweetyBird]

LOL...now that is imagination...

so winter and Sabbaths were the sign when tribulation was coming?

No one wants to flee in the winter as it is cold...or on the Sabbath as it would break the Sabbath

So they were to pray that tribulation would not come then...

Jesus was warning them that if they kept the Sabbath they would not have an opportunity to escape. He stated that tribulation was coming, there was no escape.

 

[TweetyBird]

Funny how He told us not to worship idols as that is exactly what you are doing. Equating Him to the sun or moon or temple is why people bowed to them...

What???? NT Scripture clearly states that Jesus is the Temple, He is the Light, He is the Sun, He is the Moon, He is the New Jerusalem, He is the Morning Star, He is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, etc.

Exactly wrong...physical rest is exactly what we get...and as we rest we learn of spiritual rest...

Spiritual rest has nothing to do with physical rest. Being in Christ is rest. That is why He said to come to Him for it. He did not say, rest on the Sabbath to teach you how to rest in Him.

Just like we don't kill physically to learn how not to kill spiritually

That makes no sense.

Or we don't rape so as to learn love..

 

[TweetyBird]

we will know by your fruit and works...

Heb 3
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. 5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; 6 but Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Not eating foods offered to idols is kosher as is not eating blood or meat killed by strangulation.

You apparently are unfamiliar with the term "kosher".

3/4 of the requests of Gentiles to associate with joos in their now crowded synagogues to hear Moses read to them all...

If you use the term "joos" one more time, I am going to report you for anti-Semitism.

And no, the Gentiles were not crowding the synagogues to hear Moses, but to hear the Gospel preached by the apostles, which is why they went to the synagogues - to preach Christ crucified.

He could easily have told that rabble of non Israelites to meet the day after on Sunday or Thor'sday...or anywhere else but he did not...

There was no "day" anymore - that is the point. They met 7 days a week. According to second century writings, the day of worship was Sunday, not the Sabbath. In fact, the Sabbath was no longer observed by Christians because it was a day for unbelieving Jews. Christians began to meet on Sunday in the second century because that was the day Jesus arose from the dead.

 

[TweetyBird]

So stop ignoring the "as He loved us"...in other words He worked six days and rested on the seventh exactly as an example for us to do...even as He laid down His life His disciples hurried to celebrate that High Passover Sabbath...

Jesus didn't rest on the Sabbath - He did the work of His Father, as He commanded Him.

 

[TweetyBird]

The covenant is not the Law...Joseph already knew adultery was a sin unto his God not his master Potipher. Long before Sinai...

Knowledge of the Law and keeping it is only part of the covenant...but the premiss of all covenants...

You are missing the point of the covenant with Israel. It was unknown, per God, until He gave it to them at Mt Sinai. We are referring to the COVENANT with Israel which is the MOSAIC LAW, all 613 commandments [Rabbinical Count].

 

[Gurucam]

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

If you seek God's kingdom of heaven, then do not seek out or use parables. Seek only the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven from Jesus' private deliveries to only His twelve disciples.

If you use parable, the little that you have will be taken from you. On the other hand if you seek out the mysteries of God's kingdom that were given, by Jesus, to only the twelve disciples, in private sessions among only them, you shall have more abundance.

The sad and unfortunate fact is that a billion strong traditional Christians are using parables.

Please separate your self from the billion strong traditional Christians:

2 Corinthians: 6 KJV N.T.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[jamie]

There is not one commandment to keep the Sabbath in the NT.

And there is not one commandment in the NT to not keep the Sabbath. The Jews of Jesus' day had perverted the Law of Moses and made it burdensome. Why do you believe a day of rest is a burden?

 

[jamie]

So her name remains secret?

No, not at all, she just didn't want to compromise the credibility of her letter. Her letter is considered to be the finest example of Greek in the NT.

In Romans 16:1 Phoebe was well respected by Paul as a minister.

 

[Gurucam]

And there is not one commandment in the NT to not keep the Sabbath. The Jews of Jesus' day had perverted the Law of Moses and made it burdensome. Why do you believe a day of rest is a burden?

Even today traditional Christians abuse the ten commandments.

Up to now, traditional Christians arbitrarily invoke the ten commandments on their spouses so as to keep them locked (imprisoned) in spiritless/loveless marriages with them. They disregard spirit and love and favor law. This is pro-Mosaic and totally against Christianity. This is Antichrist.

Then these traditional Christians have carnal (i.e. spiritless/loveless) sex in those perfectly acceptable ten commandments marriages (but totally Antichrist unions) . . . and bring forth only children of the flesh (like Ishmael) and no children of God (like Isaac).

The Holy KJV N.T. instructs that new Christians must be separated from their O.T. styled marriages, O.T. style spouses and O.T. style children. They must ignore and transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandment and form new sexual unions with new mates, according to spirit/love:

1 Corinthians: 7 KJV N.T.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

The ten commandments were meant to give life however they were found to be onto death, always. And they were totally done away with, 2000 odd years ago, for Christians. The ten commandments were totally replaced by God given freedom, liberty, justification and instruction to 'serve in the newness of spirit/love.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The above is literally supported by:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

In the above, verse 7, confirms that 'the law' that a Christian must transgress in order to 'serve in the newness of spirit' is the 'thou shall not covert' commandment.

Christians have God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to covert so as to serve in the newness of spirit/love. This is the Christian position.

Christians must go out there and freely have many spirit/love children and no law (of any kind) children. This is how to bring forth fruits onto God and inherit God's kingdom of heaven:

Matthew: 21 KJV N.T.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Of course a billion strong traditional Christians corrupt the above and esteem the law and relegate spirit/love. They are the lost sheep of the house of Israel. They are called to Christianity, misled by false prophets, err and are not chosen.

Christians speak with great plainness of speech. Christians do not look after 'the dead'. Jesus's instruction is 'let the dead bury their dead'.

Are you not interested in putting things right in these last days?

Are you not interested in speaking with a plain Christian, Holy KJV N.T. tongue, instead of one that is forked in favor of Jews and the Holy O.T.

Why are you crucifying Jesus over and over again by denying His new covenant that is spirit and spirit base so as to prop-up and promote the ideas of the Jews who persecuted, torture and killed Jesus?

1 Thessalonians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:


It is time to wake up before too late is your cry.

 

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[Ben Masada]

Has all been fulfilled ! has Heaven and Earth passed away?

No. As long as we live, we are in the process of fulfilling the Law. When Jesus was alive, he finished fulfilling the Law when he died. That's the same to the rest of us. Now, this that "till Heaven and Earth pass away," it is only an evidence that the Law is for life.

 

[clefty]

Yes, all that He has prepared for me to do. Eph 2

"You were excluded from citizenship among the people of Israel, and you did not know the covenant promises God had made to them. You lived in this world without God and without hope."

That wall of seperation was meant to keep Gentiles out not the tribe in. But now that it is removed we are in...to do as they did as a citizen of Israel, to live their Way not they of ours.

Just like in that church in the wilderness when a rabble followed them out of Egypt...

just like Ruth begged "your God is my God"...

just like when the Gentiles crowded in to hear Sabbath after Sabbath about One of the tribe defeating death...oh and about Moses because that explained WHY He died and HOW He rose...and made it possible to do as He did as a citizen of Israel...

 

[clefty]

Joshua and Jesus as the same name

So Joshua was nailed to the cross? Rose from the dead? Provides rest?

See? that is the ironic part. You are all about rest in a person and that person is named because even early translators identified the wrong person.

Hebrews 4:8 (KJV) "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."

You being all about Jesus giving you rest miss the irony here, as even here with Him identified in error because translators thought it was the same name, still no rest is provided.

Either way there remains a Sabbath keeping for the children of God, citizens of Israel, His kingdom etc...

because Joshua didn't give them rest nor did Jesus...yet...

 

[clefty]

Has all been fulfilled ! has Heaven and Earth passed away?

No. As long as we live, we are in the process of fulfilling the Law. When Jesus was alive, he finished fulfilling the Law when he died. That's the same to the rest of us. Now, this that "till Heaven and Earth pass away," it is only an evidence that the Law is for life.

It really is that simple...have heaven and earth passed away? No. Thus not all has been fulfilled.

We made it to Pentecost when the Law was received in the hearts and minds

Now festivals of trumpets, day of atonement and booths are still to come...

His return, judgement day, and waiting in heavenly booths until the new world is finished...

HalleluYah the pattern is still in place...

 

[clefty]

What is the point of being a Christian and not living holy unto the Lord every day?

living holy meanings keeping holy the things that were made holy by the Holy One...not making everything holy

Isaiah was pre-cross and all he prophesied was fulfilled in Christ.

is why all Nations will come to worship from Sabbath to Sabbath...

There is not one commandment to keep the Sabbath in the NT.

"5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him: 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked. 7Beloved, I am not writing you a new commandment, but an old one, which you have had from the beginning..."


" A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

There is no Sunday Ham or "rest everyday the same" in the Love He loved us with.

Poor people at those times under the scribes and Pharisees were never taught that this was already in Leviticus. It was new to them...

"As I loved you" was new to all of humanity...for thousands of years they attempted to love each other without His Word become flesh example...

This indeed was New...

 

[clefty]

When Christ came, the Mosaic Law was no longer referred to as "God's Laws". Jesus referred to them as "your laws"/"of the Jews". Jesus did not teach the Mosaic Law. Jesus has a new house - it's not Moses's house any longer.

Many laws were added since the time of Moses to keep a hedge or wall around what they had...

Washing hands before eating (already clean meat) for instance...

Besides was the law or house ever really Moses'?

Just because the donkey spoke doesn't mean the donkey spoke ya dig? It was inspired...

He lived in accordance and taught in accordance to what was given through Moses and so should we...

It is silly to want the promise of a covenant without keeping its terms...

 

[clefty]

The Sabbath was for the foreigner within the cities/congregation of Israel and for those who joined their community

yup that ends the discussion there...you in or not?

- which required circumcision.

wrong...you are arguing just like the ones in acts 15 who demanded circumcision for Gentiles to fellowship with them....lol you are the Pharisee...the irony

But the Sabbath was not given to the nations. This is why God gave the Sabbath to Israel only, their animals included, not the animals of the entire earth.

all nations were to come and worship...or did Someone lie?

God did not say the Sabbath was made for man in the OT.

neither did He command Gentiles not to kill or fornicate...

But yes He did say that all would come worship sabbath to sabbath...

Because everything made at creation was for man...not just Israel

And in making something set apart and Holy it was an example and memorial for us...as if He needs one...

Keeping the Sabbath was not a commandment in the NT.

sure it was...a custom even

If you are going to quote verses from the Mosaic Law and think that all of them are to be kept, then you have a whole lot of work to do to keep up to speed on them - and I really do not think it's going to be pleasant for you. Start at Ex 20 and keep on reading to end of that book, just for starters.

Believe me...a light yoke...signifying who bought me and who I work for...

God never told anyone to rest on the Sabbath Day but the children of Israel.

and those with them as you mentioned or did you already forget that too...

Paul did not say we are grafted into Israel. We are grafted into Christ Jesus.

he said trunk and root...so now I guess He has a trunk and root too

Those from all nations who come to Jesus Christ as in His Sabbath Rest. Jesus said that all the law and prophets were fulfilled concerning Himself.

halleluYah

Yes they were fulfilled by Him and now we keep them in gratitude as their requirements were met not destroyed...

Jesus did not keep the Sabbath Day.

again with the Pharisee talk...

You keep ignoring the fact that He said He did His Father's work on the Sabbath.

amplifying its mercy rather than sacrifice...halleluYah

Those Egyptians were considered part of Israel. They were no longer Gentiles. Exodus calls Israel a mixed multitude, and as part of Israel, they were given the Sabbath.

yup I think our discussion is ending...those that join Israel have a seventh day Sabbath keeping

The Sabbath was not given to the Gentile nations, not ever. In fact, the Sabbath was never given to the Gentiles, even in the NT.

There is no longer gentile in Him...remember?