Gunman executes 2 NYPD cops as ‘revenge’ for Garner

[rocketman]

Stipe reveals his true master:


Because Stipe has abandoned God to worship government, he is offended when people show that government is corrupt.

Wrong Moron, God instructs us all not to be in rebellion to authority and He does not say that we should rebel when they are corrupt. It was corrupt minds like yours that has put this corrupt government in place...take some ownership for your anti-christ worldview for petes sake, you espouse it on these boards every day.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Wrong Moron, God instructs us all not to be in rebellion to authority and He does not say that we should rebel when they are corrupt. It was corrupt minds like your that has put this corrupt government in place...take some ownership for your anti-christ worldview for petes sake, you espouse it on these boards every day.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the barbarian teaches (as in being a paid educator in a school district) America's children.

 

[rocketman]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the barbarian teaches (as in being a paid educator in a school district) America's children.

And people wonder what has happened to America's youth...exhibit "A": Liberal Academia

 

[bybee]

And people wonder what has happened to America's youth...exhibit "A": Liberal Academia

Yup! The old cliché their minds opened and their brains fell out....

 

[rexlunae]

“They Take 1 of Ours, Let’s Take 2 of Theirs” New York Man Executes Two Cops in Revenge Attack

I'm not prepared to take this at face value for these reasons:

1. Why, if this was really about white cops killing black men with impunity, did the shooter kill two cops, neither of whom were white?

2. Why, if this was really about the cops at all, did he start his evening by murdering his wife? To me, that makes it seem more like a smokescreen than anything else.**

The overheated rhetoric on both sides does no one any favors, and the people chanting that they want "dead cops" are worse than anything that they are protesting. But this whole story doesn't add up.

And, it just isn't true that the mayor and the protestors are responsible collectively for everything that the worst protestors do. This was an act of one deranged man. What we need now is not a collective judgement on all cops, or on all protestors, but a serious reflection about the valid issues that have been raised about race and policing, including those by Mayor de Blasio, and an attempt to do something about it. And we need to do what we can to stop violent people whatever side of the badge they are on.

** Apparently, the woman he shot survived, and she was his ex-girlfriend, not his wife.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Right. But it's more like the Aryan Brotherhood than the kkk (and they're different). The guy was a member of a black prison gang called The Black Guerrilla Family, like The Aryan Brotherhood, La Nuestra Familia, Mexican Mafia, Texas Syndicate. We breed these gangs in our prisons, and in poor segregated neighborhoods. They're ebola. To any of them, the police are just another rival gang. This guy wasn't killing white people; he was killing cops.

The mentality is still the same be it white people, cops, football players, etc.. its killing someone (an innocent) seen as part of a group for something they didn't cause or do, in order to get some perceived weird "justice" they (the person(s) doing the lynching, killing etc..) who is made scapegoat for the entire "group".

Have you heard anyone defending him?

yes, by way of "its understandable" even if not condoned... ive also seen many inciting this kind of thing.

Blaming it all on liberals just seems pointless to me.

Inciting also brings blame- is the person who screams fire in a crowded theater to blame if someone gets trampled trying to get out when there is no fire?

It's all of our problem, and there's a slew of different things that are going on, from all directions. To me, blaming it all on the other guy is not only what keeps us from repairing problems, but ultimately why the problems just continue to get worse.

I agree, sin touches everyone. No need to incite it though. And i don't blame liberals for killing those 2 cops, i blame them for creating and maintaining an atmosphere of wanting lynching - wanting this mentality - in aiding the nutcase who did it by inciting his hatred and anger.

 

[serpentdove]

In any event, there is without a doubt a war against law enforcement, also fueled by the left wing media per B. Hussein's instructions.

Helter Skelter ~ U2

Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10, Re 21:4

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Stipe reveals his true master:
Because Stipe has abandoned God to worship government, he is offended when people show that government is corrupt.

Rocket writes:

Wrong Moron

Are you the right one, then?

God instructs us all not to be in rebellion to authority

The people are the authority in America. We don't have masters, and certainly not those appointed as our servants.

Your worship of government has led to you think we are supposed to serve them.

and He does not say that we should rebel when they are corrupt.

Public servants are not set over us. They are set below us. This is why they are called our servants. They like to rebel and set themselves as our masters, but they are not.

It was corrupt minds like yours that has put this corrupt government in place.

Haven't voted for a republican or a democrat in quite some time. You?

take some ownership for your anti-christ worldview for petes sake

You've confused Christ with government. God endows us with rights. Government tries to take it away. You're worshiping a false idol. At best, humans can handle a little power, if there are significant checks on their abuse of it. This is precisely why state-worshipers like you are a threat to everyone's freedoms. It's important for us to make sure that no government entity exists without outside and independent oversight of its behavior.

you espouse it on these boards every day.

Government should fear the people, not people fear the government.

 

[Stripe]

What we need now is not ... judgement ... but a serious reflection.

You want a "serious reflection"? What is that going to do without judgement -- without action?

A "serious reflection"? Are you kidding me?

What you need to do is start judging cases by the evidence you have and the position you hold. When you read story after story from Ferguson that opens by saying a white cop killed an unarmed black man, you should recognize the liberal agenda behind it and assume that the killing was justified.

You are not justified in demanding a "serious reflection" based on the flimsy evidence you have and the lowly position you hold.

 

[rocketman]

Barbarian observes:
Stipe reveals his true master:
Because Stipe has abandoned God to worship government, he is offended when people show that government is corrupt.

Rocket writes:


Are you the right one, then?

Certainly on the right side of this argument.

The people are the authority in America. We don't have masters, and certainly not those appointed as our servants.

Wrong, these "servants" were put there by you, and given authority by you, to make decisions for you. If you don't like the decisions you are free to choose another to fill that role of authority but, make no mistake they are the delegated authority to make laws & enforce them.

Your worship of government has led to you think we are supposed to serve them.

I do not worship them in any way but, I am not in denial of the power they wield.

Public servants are not set over us. They are set below us. This is why they are called our servants. They like to rebel and set themselves as our masters, but they are not.

Keep telling yourself that...it doesn't convince me being most politicians only serve themselves & people like you like it that way. If you didn't you wouldn't vote for them.

Haven't voted for a republican or a democrat in quite some time. You?

Sure you haven't...

You've confused Christ with government. God endows us with rights. Government tries to take it away. You're worshiping a false idol.

No, Christ himself had nothing to do with the politics or the government of his time outside of calling the Sanhedrin for the hypocrites they were and warning the people of the same. I put no faith in government or in people such as yourself to vote righteous men into authority over the people. I say that because if your vote matches your rhetoric you are a progressive liberal from where I am standing...the bane of this country. (I could be wrong I guess)

At best, humans can handle a little power, if there are significant checks on their abuse of it. This is precisely why state-worshipers like you are a threat to everyone's freedoms. It's important for us to make sure that no government entity exists without outside and independent oversight of its behavior.

I don't know where you get the idea that I am a state worshipper, I detest this current government & almost all that serve in it...you are way out there on this one Barbie...do you have a point?

Government should fear the people, not people fear the government.

Okay, so how do you intend to make that happen? It certainly won't happen by putting the same ole ideologues in authority now will it?

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian explains American values:
The people are the authority in America. We don't have masters, and certainly not those appointed as our servants.

Wrong

No, you're wrong. They are subject to citizens, and are our servants, not our masters.

Barbarian observes:
Your worship of government has led to you think we are supposed to serve them.

I do not worship them in any way

I see the denial, but your declaration of them as our masters is more eloquent.

but, I am not in denial of the power they wield.

By our consent, and only on condition of good behavior and observation of the law.

Barbarian observes:
Public servants are not set over us. They are set below us. This is why they are called our servants. They like to rebel and set themselves as our masters, but they are not.

Keep telling yourself that

It's in the Constitution. We aren't subject to masters. The government is subject to us. Granted, you guys have succeeded in abrogating a lot of power to government. But that's coming to an end now. Even a lot of conservatives are sick of it.

Barbarian observes:
Haven't voted for a republican or a democrat in quite some time. You?

(Rocket declines to answer)

Pretty much what was expected.

Barbarian observes:
You've confused Christ with government. God endows us with rights. Government tries to take it away. You're worshiping a false idol.

I put no faith in government

Odd then that you set them as our masters. And I notice you refuse to say whether or not you voted republican.

(I could be wrong I guess)

You're being evasive. And I think I know why.

Barbarian observes:
At best, humans can handle a little power, if there are significant checks on their abuse of it. This is precisely why state-worshipers like you are a threat to everyone's freedoms. It's important for us to make sure that no government entity exists without outside and independent oversight of its behavior.

I don't know where you get the idea that I am a state worshipper

The stuff you post here, maybe. That would do it.

I detest this current government & almost all that serve in it...

You just want a different pack of masters in place, that's all.

Did you think no one noticed?

Barbarian observes:
Government should fear the people, not people fear the government.

Okay, so how do you intend to make that happen?

Oversight. One huge step forward would be manditory body cams on police. Already, cities using it have noticed both police and citizens behavior more lawfully, and with less violence.

More nonpartisan review boards for things like redistricting, Congressional "investigations" requiring transparency by committee chairs.
More transparency on who is paying for campaign costs.

"Sunlight is a great disinfectant."

Anyone who objects to it, has an agenda they don't want you to see.

 

[tetelestai]

2. Why, if this was really about the cops at all, did he start his evening by murdering his wife?

First off, it wasn't his wife, it was his girlfriend.

Secondly, he didn't murder her, she's still alive in a hospital.

Do you Liberals ever use facts in your arguments?

 

[tetelestai]

Why Progressive Liberals are the biggest hypocrites:

When Gabby Giffords was shot by a deranged lunatic, the very next morning at 7:00am Andrea Mitchell did a 5 minute segment on NBC's Today Show about how Sarah Palin and the Tea Party were to blame.

The next day The New York Times ran a headline that read: "Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics"

So, according to Liberals, it was the fault of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party that Gabby Giffords was shot.

However, when two NYPD cops are shot, these same Liberals claim it has nothing to do with what Progressive Liberal's Obama, Holder, DeBlassio, Sharpton, etc. have said, nor any of the protests, even when they chant "what do we want? - dead cops"...

Liberals are the biggest hypocrites on the planet !!!!!

 

[rexlunae]

You want a "serious reflection"? What is that going to do without judgement -- without action?

Ellipses? Really Stripe?

I said no collective judgement. I don't know if it's a reading problem, or an honesty problem, but either way, you really fail.

What you need to do is start judging cases by the evidence you have and the position you hold.

What "position" is that, exactly?

When you read story after story from Ferguson that opens by saying a white cop killed an unarmed black man, you should recognize the liberal agenda behind it and assume that the killing was justified.

I'd rather not assume anything like that. But thanks for the suggestion.

You are not justified in demanding a "serious reflection" based on the flimsy evidence you have and the lowly position you hold.

The "lowly position"? Meaning what?

 

[rexlunae]

First off, it wasn't his wife, it was his girlfriend.

Secondly, he didn't murder her, she's still alive in a hospital.

I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing that out.

Do you Liberals ever use facts in your arguments?

It was a simple mistake based on my recollection of what I heard on the radio this morning. It stuck in my head as relevant, but my memory isn't perfect. I think the point stands regardless. I have edited the post to note the correction, which I thank you for.

 

[Stripe]

Ellipses? Really Stripe?

No. A ellipses (three periods) would indicate a deliberate omission from a quote. An em-dash (what I represented there) is similar to a comma.

I said no collective judgement.

Then quit demanding what everyone should do. :thumb:

What "position" is that, exactly?

A non-witness and ordinary citizen. :duh:

I'd rather not assume anything like that.

Of course. You'd prefer to assume that there might be a culture of racial discrimination within the police force.

 

[rexlunae]

A non-witness and ordinary citizen. :duh:

And you are an eyewitness?

Of course. You'd prefer to assume that there might be a culture of racial discrimination within the police force.

I'm not sure what position you think I've taken on the evidence. But I'm pretty sure it's wrong. My comment was more about the general racial dialog rather than any particular case.

 

[Stripe]

Not interested in retracting your accusation of dishonesty?

And you are an eyewitness?

You walk into a lot of lamp posts, don't you?

I'm not sure what position you think I've taken on the evidence. But I'm pretty sure it's wrong. My comment was more about the general racial dialog rather than any particular case.

What does "race" have to do with anything? A cop kills a guy. If that is all the detail you have, what is your response to this report?

 

[rexlunae]

Not interested in retracting your accusation of dishonesty?

You removed the "collective" from "collective judgement" in quoting my post, and read it as if I'd suggested that we use no judgement. I stand by what I said, but I'm not interested in arguing it further. I'm content to allow the record to stand.

What does "race" have to do with anything? A cop kills a guy. If that is all the detail you have, what is your response to this report?

I'm more worried about the perception, backed by statistics, that black people don't receive even treatment from police and from prosecutors.

 

[Stripe]

I'm more worried about the perception, backed by statistics, that black people don't receive even treatment from police and from prosecutors.

Which makes you a moron and part of the problem.

The only proper response from you would be to say that the dude probably deserved it and thankfulness toward the officer tasked with protecting you.