ECT Grace is unconditional but not universal

[Sonnet]

The consistent Calvinist refuses to preach, 'Christ died for our sins,' to unbelievers and yet here's Paul preaching belief in Jesus' resurrection unto salvation...to unbelievers:

Romans 10:1-4;8-10
Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The consistent Calvinist would not preach belief in Christ's resurrection to unbelievers because if there is no death for them then there is no resurrection for them.

Paul proclaimed otherwise.

 

[Sonnet]

It is not a false gospel to proclaim that Jesus Christ died and resurrected on the behalf of those, who will CERTAINLY be justified by faith alone. John 3:16

Paul preached belief in Jesus' resurrection unto salvation...to unbelievers.

You wont.

 

[Sonnet]

It is not a false gospel to proclaim that Jesus Christ died and resurrected on the behalf of those, who will CERTAINLY be justified by faith alone. John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

Bitten Israelites equates to sinful humans.

No bitten Israelite did not have the bronze serpent raised for them to look at.

No sinful human does not have Christ raised up for them to believe in.

 

[Sonnet]

The forgiving and saving grace of God comes to sinners unconditionally through faith; not by works.

Repentance is not required to be forgiven (justified) by God; rather repentance is evidence the sinner has been saved by God's power and grace, through gifted faith, alone.

All empirical and scriptural knowledge, denies any hope of universal forgiveness (atonement). Such is simply wishful thinking, that only perverts the Truth.

Nick's earlier thread OP includes the quote of Romans 5:18 to suggest that the death of Jesus Christ universally paid for "all" sins, but Romans 5:19 quantifies Paul's gospel message as pertaining only to "many."

So, therefore, only 'many' (not all) were made sinners?

For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Is this your logic Nang?

 

[Sonnet]

Calvinists won't preach the Gospel to all.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Paul had no such misgivings - for he told unbelievers, 'Christ died for our sins.' 1 Cor 15:11.

Consistent Calvinists won't do as Paul did.

Galatians 1:8-9.

You apparently have understanding what you are reading issues...

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117063-Calvinists-Dilemma&p=4667384&viewfull=1#post4667384
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-for-all-men&p=4681668&viewfull=1#post4681668
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-for-all-men&p=4681856&viewfull=1#post4681856
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-for-all-men&p=4681869&viewfull=1#post4681869
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-for-all-men&p=4682750&viewfull=1#post4682750
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-for-all-men&p=4683086&viewfull=1#post4683086
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ed-Atonement&p=4683321&viewfull=1#post4683321

https://goo.gl/A67oGc
http://goo.gl/sLUZGG

Tolle lege.

Continuing to simply repeat your same statement time and again does not change the plain fact that you are terribly mistaken. If you cannot digest my own posts on the matter at least interact with the substance of those last two links provided if you want to have a substantive discussion about the topic. Otherwise, I would appreciate it if you resist attempts to bait me. I had folks like you in mind when I wrote this:

http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?3019-Arguments-Require-More-Than-Assertions

:AMR:

AMR

 

[TulipBee]

You mean Jesus came to the Jew - certainly.

Trollish replies. God saves his children.

 

[TulipBee]

Calvinists won't preach the Gospel to all.

Liar

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

Bitten Israelites equates to sinful humans.

No bitten Israelite did not have the bronze serpent raised for them to look at.

No sinful human does not have Christ raised up for them to believe in.

And this was all painstakingly and simply explained to you in the most direct form of exegesis imaginable.

Those who believed and looked at the lifted-up serpent did not, and could not have, done so without the thing thought and spoken about by God (Rhema), that was the thing heard (akoe), out of which came the thing believed (pistis). And that anarthrous noun (faith) had the qualitative characteristics and functional activity within it to empower the pisteuo (believing) that came forth.

They could never have believed without the faith. And the faith is what did the faithing, not them. They certainly couldn't just simply choose to believe.

This is unassailable non-debatable grammatical fact. The fact that you assail and debate it indicates not only your ignorance but your faithlessness. You believe man saves himself with some help from God. Or that God saves with the help of man.

Projecting sequential time upon a timeless God to misconstrue His sovereignty as Hyper-Supralapsarian with "double predestination" in that false context means you have no idea about theology and shouldn't be engaging in it.

You do not get to prescribe what Greek nouns mean in arrears, especially by a layering of modern "isms" that you don't even know have sculpted your heart and mind to insist man can co-inititate his own salvation.

Your "god" is no god at all. You are your own god. It isn't "Russian Roulette" at all. You just don't have a renewed mind by the Spirit.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

But Paul reminds them of what he preached to them upon which they 'took their stand'. He explicitly says, 'this is what we preach...'

Paul's ambition was to preach to unbelievers Romans 15:20.

Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

Nevertheless, None of the apostles ever preached the gospel to unbelievers who did not believe there is a God in Heaven.

Jesus preached to the lost sheep of the house of Israel to whom he was sent, and they all believed in the existence and need to obey something of God.

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

God chooses who will be saved, and you have not understood what God bases that choosing on.

None other seem to know either, certainly not Marowbe who takes God for granted.



LA

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Calvinists won't preach the Gospel to all.

Nobody does. There are 7 billion people alive today on this earth. You won't. No Arminian does or will.

THIS is exactly the silliness your false definition of the word "all" means when you have no idea what a Greek anarthrous noun is, or what the context of "all" was relative the Jesus being the Messiah to Gentiles and not just Israel.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Well, I don't believe in an "Elect system." I go by what someone says they believe. If they have the correct Biblical articulation of one who has trusted totally in Christ, then, I would be fairly certain they are in the Body of Christ.

You do not totally trust in Christ.

If you did then you would speak like Christ does, but most of the time you speak like Christ's enemies do.

Pro 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.
Pro 6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;
Pro 6:14 Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.
Pro 6:15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

[Crucible]

Calvinists won't preach the Gospel to all.

The Gospel only reaches the elect- God only speaks to the elect. Everyone else are merely bystanders.

T U L I P
Irresistible Grace

 

[Cross Reference]

smile

 

[Nang]

The Gospel only reaches the elect- God only speaks to the elect. Everyone else are merely bystanders.

T U L I P
Irresistible Grace

Indeed ...

I have never met an unrepentant, faithless, practicing sinner who has heard with any comprehension, the Gospel of Grace.

That is because the Gospel message did not reach them according to the Covenant Grace of God . . . why? Because God's grace is not common to all mankind. God's Grace is not only irresistible, but it is particularly purposed for the elect only.

Not a drop of the blood of Jesus was wasted on Judas or his kind in this world.

 

[john w]

..That is because the Gospel message did not reach them according to the Covenant Grace of God . . . .

No such thing-you spammed that , as usual, from your "the church" SOF.

 

[Nang]

No such thing-you spammed that , as usual, from your "the church" SOF.

The simpleton, ungodly response, of just another one of the TOL goons . . .

 

[heir]

Do you know many "Calvinists?"

I have had conversations both in person and on the internet with some and cannot recall hearing them preach the gospel of Christ as the power of God yet TB claims God tells Calvinists to preach the gospel to all. What gives?

 

[heir]

I am Reformed and I have testified in this thread, that I proclaim the Gospel indiscriminately to all,

What "gospel" would that be?

 

[heir]

You are attempting to brow-beat the participants of this thread (and others) by demanding and dictating the exact language that you think constitutes the Gospel message.

The gospel by which people are saved today is specific. What is it and where is it found in the Bible?