Christ DID die for the sins of ALL Humanity. However, ONLY those who place ALL their faith in Christ alone as their Savior will be saved and inherit eternal life. Those who reject God's Gift to humanity are awaiting judgement and eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire.
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Christ DID die for the sins of ALL Humanity. However, ONLY those who place ALL their faith in Christ alone as their Savior will be saved and inherit eternal life. Those who reject God's Gift to humanity are awaiting judgement and eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire.
Nang
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Would you take pleasure in causing any soul to believe a false gospel?
Nang, do you have an explanation for post # 455?
But, why did you say the "Elect" could be delayed or prevented from being chosen? Sounds like a contradiction in your belief system?
Nang
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This is a forced and brow-beating accusation; totally unfounded, and from here out, to be ignored.
It looks as if Nang "took a powder?" She couldn't seem to articulate an answer for her apparent contradiction?
Sonnet
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That you deny what Paul explicitly says he preaches - that you deny 'this' refers to vv.3-8 is astonishing. You have zero scriptures that teach limited atonement and yet you shoe-horn it into this verse.
Quite simply, Paul never would have reeled off verse 11 if he thought like you.
Nang
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Sigh . . it was meant only in a temporal sense . . not eternal.
As you can see my fellow posters, there are inconsistencies and contradictions (holes) in the Calvinistic belief system. Don't they HAVE all of their own answers?
Sonnet
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For asking a Christian to merely preach the Gospel just to clarify exactly what the Gospel is?
You are indignant because you have been found out to preach a different Gospel depending on your audience - and the only reason you do so is because of your theology.
Then, why didn't you state that up front? If something is inevitable then why would a time delay be of any importance?
With eternity in mind, how is the time element relevant?
Nang
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Your questions have holes in them . . .and you believe in a false gospel.
I will pray it is only a temporary delay in understanding that you suffer, due to poor/wicked teaching.
If your errors prove to be eternal, then we will know on the last day that God turned you over to delusion because you do not love His Truth.
Nang
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"Delay" and "prevent" do not define "inevitability."
Listening to Nang, I see her defending a total paradox.
Who implied that they did?
Nang, does the time element involved really of any concern as long as God (supposedly) predestined the Elect? The timing would be under His control, correct?
Remember, humanity is constrained by the clock, whereas, with God, a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, correct?
You never understood traditional Calvinism
You never understood traditional Calvinism
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