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yes, he died on Wednesday, was buried before sunset and God raised him on Saturday, 72 hours later.
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yes, he died on Wednesday, was buried before sunset and God raised him on Saturday, 72 hours later.
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I suggest that the best way to begin sleuthing the chronology of Christ's
crucifixion and resurrection is to first define what constituters a Day and
what constitutes a Night. The creator does this for us so it's a no-brainer.
†. Gen 1:3-5 . . And God said: Let there be light-- and there was light. God
saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night.
In essence: Day and Night simply label two physical conditions-- the
absence of light, and/or the absence of darkness. Labeling those physical
conditions may seem like a superfluous detail, but when analyzing crucifixion
week in the New Testament, it's essential to keep those physical conditions
separate in regards to Christ's burial and resurrection if one is to have any
hope of deducing the correct chronology.
There's more.
†. Gen 1:14-18 . . God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to
separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark
seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the
sky to give light on the earth.
. . . And it was so. God made two great lights-- the greater light to govern
the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God
set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the
day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
On the first day; God decreed Day as a condition of light; and Night as a
condition of darkness. Then in Gen 1:14-18, He further decreed that days on
the earth are when the sun is up; and nights on the earth are when the sun
is down.
These rules occur so early in the Bible that they easily escape the memories
of Bible students as they slip into the reflexive habit of always thinking of
days as astronomical events consisting of one earth rotation of 24 hours.
That's okay for calendars but can lead to gross misunderstandings when
interpreting biblical schedules, predictions, and/or chronologies.
And then there's Christ.
†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.
Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's
known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time
of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on
earth consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more;
but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12
regardless.
I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices).
But the point is; according to Christ, "day" is when the sun is up, an "night"
is when the sun is down.
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I suggest that the best way to begin sleuthing the chronology of Christ's
crucifixion and resurrection is to first define what constituters a Day and
what constitutes a Night. The creator does this for us so it's a no-brainer.
†. Gen 1:3-5 . . And God said: Let there be light-- and there was light. God
saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night.
In essence: Day and Night simply label two physical conditions-- the
absence of light, and/or the absence of darkness. Labeling those physical
conditions may seem like a superfluous detail, but when analyzing crucifixion
week in the New Testament, it's essential to keep those physical conditions
separate in regards to Christ's burial and resurrection if one is to have any
hope of deducing the correct chronology.
There's more.
†. Gen 1:14-18 . . God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to
separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark
seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the
sky to give light on the earth.
. . . And it was so. God made two great lights-- the greater light to govern
the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God
set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the
day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
On the first day; God decreed Day as a condition of light; and Night as a
condition of darkness. Then in Gen 1:14-18, He further decreed that days on
the earth are when the sun is up; and nights on the earth are when the sun
is down.
These rules occur so early in the Bible that they easily escape the memories
of Bible students as they slip into the reflexive habit of always thinking of
days as astronomical events consisting of one earth rotation of 24 hours.
That's okay for calendars but can lead to gross misunderstandings when
interpreting biblical schedules, predictions, and/or chronologies.
And then there's Christ.
†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.
Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's
known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time
of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on
earth consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more;
but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12
regardless.
I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices).
But the point is; according to Christ, "day" is when the sun is up, an "night"
is when the sun is down.
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He was laid in the tomb Wednesday evening and so that was becoming the first night.
Messiah was born 4am JST Monday August 12 3 BC 1 Elul 3758.
Just because you are unaware of the date does not mean we are unaware. Denial of facts simply because you don't know is rather childish behaviour.
What about the most critical statement from creation concerning these things?
And there is evening, and there is morning: Yom Echad. - Genesis 1:5
Therefore one must now likewise define "an evening".
The hours of the day are not just "twelve normal hours" for no good reason but rather derived from the twelve yamim of the twelve tribes, (each prince in his Yom) in the Yom wherein the altar of sacrifice was anointed, (Num 7:11-84). The Nazarene day was divided into eighteen parts, (not twenty-four). In the longest day of the year, the summer solstice, the day was twice the length of the night as the day was twelve hours and the night was six hours, (the length of the "night watches" fluctuated). Thus even though there were not twelve hours of daylight every day of the year, but rather only around the summer solstice, there were still twelve hours in every day because each one is represented by a tribe in the day wherein the altar was anointed.
Therefore I say:
And there is evening, and there is morning: Yom Echad.
WeberHome
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According to Mark 16:42-46, Luke 23:50-54, and John 19:31-42; Christ was
buried before sundown.
It's tempting to count the afternoon of Christ's burial as one of the days as
per Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22, but I highly recommend not; but instead
wait until the Jews' preparation for Passover comes to an end and they're
ready to begin eating their Passover seder before starting to tally the days
and nights. I'm convinced it is essential to leave crucifixion day set aside for
the slaughtering of lambs; including the one on the cross, or the chronology
won't come out right.
One thing is for sure: making Friday one of the three days won't work at all
because it is impossible to produce three nights between Friday afternoon
and Sunday morning.
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According to Mark 16:42-46, Luke 23:50-54, and John 19:31-42; Christ was
buried before sundown.
It's tempting to count the afternoon of Christ's burial as one of the days as
per Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22, but I highly recommend not; but instead
wait until the Jews' preparation for Passover comes to an end and they're
ready to begin eating their Passover seder before starting to tally the days
and nights. I'm convinced it is essential to leave crucifixion day set aside for
the slaughtering of lambs; including the one on the cross, or the chronology
won't come out right.
One thing is for sure: making Friday one of the three days won't work at all
because it is impossible to produce three nights between Friday afternoon
and Sunday morning.
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YOU claimed to know the exact number of days Jesus lived. You are a liar. I asked you to show it and prove it because you can't and you know it. Stop pretending you are some wise man with a unique Christian view or affiliation. You lied
Prove it or it's a LIE
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn... (Matthew 28:1 NKJV)
The word "dawn" is translated from the Greek epiphosko, in this case the dawn of a twelve hour day.
This same Greek word is used in Luke 23:54.
That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. (Luke 23:54 NKJV)
The term "drew near" is an obfuscation of epiphosko which means dawn, in this case the beginning of a twenty-four hour day.
A trumpet signaled the beginning of each Sabbath which is how they knew the Sabbath had dawned (began).
Seventy-two hours later Christ was restored to immortality as Sunday began.
The tomb was sealed and a guard posted until Sunday.
On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
Pilate said to them, “You have a guard, go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”
So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. (Matthew 27:62-66 NKJV)
Pilate said to them, “You have a guard, go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”
So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. (Matthew 27:62-66 NKJV)
If you knew how blessed I am by your attacks you'd be really, really upset, but then again it looks as if you already are upset. A friend of mine calls it ''throwing his toys out of the pram'' and that's what you're doing.
WeberHome
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• Wednesday
Christ's disciples arranged for his Passover seder
• Wednesday night
Christ's last supper -- betrayed by Judas
• Thursday
Christ crucified and buried
Jews arranged for their Passover seder
• Thursday night
Christ's first night in the tomb
Jews' Feast of Unleavened Bread began at sundown
Jews ate their seder
• Friday
Jews' consecrated day as per Ex 12:16
• Friday night
Christ's second night in the tomb
Jews' consecrated day ended at sundown
Jews' weekly sabbath began at sundown
• Saturday
Jews' weekly sabbath
• Saturday night
Christ's third night in the tomb
Jews' weekly sabbath ended at sundown
• Sunday
Christ revived early the morning of
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Christ's disciples arranged for his Passover seder
• Wednesday night
Christ's last supper -- betrayed by Judas
• Thursday
Christ crucified and buried
Jews arranged for their Passover seder
• Thursday night
Christ's first night in the tomb
Jews' Feast of Unleavened Bread began at sundown
Jews ate their seder
• Friday
Jews' consecrated day as per Ex 12:16
• Friday night
Christ's second night in the tomb
Jews' consecrated day ended at sundown
Jews' weekly sabbath began at sundown
• Saturday
Jews' weekly sabbath
• Saturday night
Christ's third night in the tomb
Jews' weekly sabbath ended at sundown
• Sunday
Christ revived early the morning of
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What year?
achduke
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This is from my research.
Nissan 14th Wed Day Just before Evening (3PM) Christ Crucified and put in Tomb, Preparation Day.
Nissan 15th Thu (Christ in the Ground 1st Night) Passover Night
Nissan 15th Thu (Christ in the Ground 1st Day) 1st Day of Unleaven Bread. (Special Sabbath John 19:31)
Nissan 16th Fri (Christ in the Ground 2nd Night) 2nd Day of Unleaven Bread
Nissan 16th Fri (Christ in the Ground 2nd Day) 2nd Day of Unleaven Bread. (Mark 16:1) After Sabbath Mary and Mary buy spices.
Nissan 17th Sat (Christ in the Ground 3rd Night) 3rd Day of Unleaven Bread and Weekly Sabbath.
Nissan 17th Sat (Christ in the Ground 3rd Day) 3rd Day of Unleaven Bread and Weekly Sabbath
Nissan 18th Sun Night 4th Day of Unleaven Bread and First Fruits (waving of sheaf) (Christ had already risen.) (John 20:1)
WeberHome
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Knowing the year Christ died is pretty much useless information when it
comes to calculating the chronology of crucifixion week. The problem is: the
Jews don't always observe Passover right on the dot in perfect harmony with
the phases of the moon like they're supposed to. Some years they're early,
and some years they're late.
For example: In the year 2000, Passover was set for the 20th of April; two
days after full moon. So it would seem the Jews are somewhat arbitrary
when it comes to the first night of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Ergo:
going strictly by Nisan 14 looks good on paper, but in reality it's a shot in
the dark.
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Knowing the year Christ died is pretty much useless information when it
comes to calculating the chronology of crucifixion week. The problem is: the
Jews don't always observe Passover right on the dot in perfect harmony with
the phases of the moon like they're supposed to. Some years they're early,
and some years they're late.
For example: In the year 2000, Passover was set for the 20th of April; two
days after full moon. So it would seem the Jews are somewhat arbitrary
when it comes to the first night of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Ergo:
going strictly by Nisan 14 looks good on paper, but in reality it's a shot in
the dark.
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The first night was Wednesday...obviously.
Can we tell by the information provided in the NT what year Jesus died?
For example you said this:
This would make the first Sabbath of Passover week on Friday. However, Mark tells us, "Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices that they might come and anoint Him." (Mark 16:1 NKJV)
Which day of the week did the women purchase their spices?
So, what is your point?