God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
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The word "us" suggests to me it is a two step process. Our parents create humans biologically and Jesus Christ creates humans spiritually.
Yes, we can't reach out and take eternal life, it must be given.
But now we know good and evil.
6days
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When you bake a cake...there are two steps 1) Mix ingredients 2) bake
Before you start do you say to yourself "let us bake a cake".....if you are the only one?
beameup
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And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.- Genesis 11:6-7
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God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
What we have here is man's attempt to make himself as God. The unconscious belief is that God is in our image when in fact it is the reverse. Man does not define God. God defines man. We think God is in the form of a man named Jesus. Ask yourself honestly if you think it is more true that God is in the form of a man or is it more true that God is infinite and eternal. Why wouldn't Jesus simply be more symbolic of God instead?
We have things in reverse. The truth is that man is made in God's image, infinite and eternal, and God is not made in man's image, as in the belief in Jesus is God. Man has decided for themselves what God should look like but man does not define God, God defines man. We think we can define God by saying "here is this perfect man named Jesus" and then glorify this person as God. This has been happening since the days of the Egyptians and Romans. The pharaohs and emperors were considered gods. This is equivalent to worshipping a golden calf. We need to wake up and smell the coffee for the sake of all humanity.
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What we have here is man's attempt to make himself as God. The unconscious belief is that God is in our image when in fact it is the reverse. Man does not define God. God defines man. We think God is in the form of a man named Jesus. Ask yourself honestly if you think it is more true that God is in the form of a man or is it more true that God is infinite and eternal. Why wouldn't Jesus simply be more symbolic of God instead?
We have things in reverse. The truth is that man is made in God's image, infinite and eternal, and God is not made in man's image, as in the belief in Jesus is God. Man has decided for themselves what God should look like but man does not define God, God defines man. We think we can define God by saying "here is this perfect man named Jesus" and then glorify this person as God. This has been happening since the days of the Egyptians and Romans. The pharaohs and emperors were considered gods. This is equivalent to worshipping a golden calf. We need to wake up and smell the coffee for the sake of all humanity.
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The kingdom of God can only be entered by grace through faith, not by violence.
However, the kingdom did indeed suffer violence at the hands of men. John was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, Stephen was stoned and Paul caused much consternation to Jesus' disciples until Jesus asked him to knock it off.
The kingdom suffered much violence.
God never refers to Himself as 'US', so if that's how you're trying to prove the Trinity, you failed :chuckle:
He was speaking to the angels, as angels actually have purposes and appointments.
The proof for the Trinity is in referencing Isiah beside the New Testament.
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We know God /Jesus created. You are saying God asked the angels to help out?Crucible said:
Also...how do you know that the angels had even been created at this point? All we know is that angels were created during the six creation days. "For in six days the*Lord*made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore theLord*blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Ex. 20:11
Jewish tradition has always held that angels partake in many of God's actions- you all sitting there acting surprised about it, as if it's just some wrong thing for all the legions of angels in Heaven to be doing more than twiddling their thumbs, is quite frankly irritating.
God didn't refer to Himself as 'Us', and He doesn't refer to His actions as 'Our making'. Also, just because one authors something doesn't mean it was done alone.
Case closed, stop perplexing something so simple :doh:
Angels inhabited the pre-Adamic world, but some of the angels sinned.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
Lucifer attempted a coup and became God's adversary, the Satan.
Gen 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
The Christian assumption is that “us” refers to the trinity, the Father , son, and holy ghost.
But is there any evidence to believe that this is the correct interpretation?
Perhaps there are other explanations for the use of a plural pronoun “us”
The word “God” in this verse is the plural word “elohim” In only four places in the Bible does “elohim” use a plural pronoun , but in hundreds of places “elohim” uses a singular pronoun. Is this a scribal error here at Gen 1:26? Or were the first Hebrews polytheists who believed in “gods” and only later began to believe in one god and this verse is a carry over from the days when the Hebrews were polytheists.
Another possibility is that God is speaking to his army of angels in this verse. We know God is a spirit, man is not, Jesus had not yet been born as a man, and angels have often been mistaken for men in the Bible.
At the site of Jesus’ tomb in Matthew’s gospel the women speak to an angel. But in Mark’s gospel the women speak to a young man.
The Jews are monotheists and this verse did not seem to upset their theology. Perhaps they have an explanation that does not involve a trinity.
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
The Christian assumption is that “us” refers to the trinity, the Father , son, and holy ghost.
But is there any evidence to believe that this is the correct interpretation?
Perhaps there are other explanations for the use of a plural pronoun “us”
The word “God” in this verse is the plural word “elohim” In only four places in the Bible does “elohim” use a plural pronoun , but in hundreds of places “elohim” uses a singular pronoun. Is this a scribal error here at Gen 1:26? Or were the first Hebrews polytheists who believed in “gods” and only later began to believe in one god and this verse is a carry over from the days when the Hebrews were polytheists.
Another possibility is that God is speaking to his army of angels in this verse. We know God is a spirit, man is not, Jesus had not yet been born as a man, and angels have often been mistaken for men in the Bible.
At the site of Jesus’ tomb in Matthew’s gospel the women speak to an angel. But in Mark’s gospel the women speak to a young man.
The Jews are monotheists and this verse did not seem to upset their theology. Perhaps they have an explanation that does not involve a trinity.
6days
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Scripture tells us that God alone is the Creator.*Crucible said:
Isaiah 44:24, "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone
God tells us that He alone created.*Crucible said:
No translation exists which emphasizes 'us' or 'our' as 'HE' or 'I AM', because what you propose is utterly made up. The fact of the matter is that God created first the angels, and the angels assisted thereafter. 'Stretching the Heavens and Earth' is not creating, it is substantiating.
Also,
if you pay attention, you are really implying three gods, which is not the Trinity but rather polytheism. God would never use that language, and never does.
It was a beginning but not the beginning.
beameup
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The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against His Annointed, saying, Let US break THEIR bands asunder, and cast away THEIR cords from US. - Psalm 2:2-3
Again, not speaking solely of Himself. There is no emphasis on 'us' in any translation, because your notion is made up.
In order for their to be 'us', there must be three gods. The Trinity is not three gods.
That's what you all don't get :chuckle:
So much for having good interpretation. But then again, you're a MADist, so..