God is ONE, and therefore not three, and not three in one, but ONE!
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As usual you are making a right mess of this by pretending you know something when you are completely ignorant. I was explaining what likeness means and you are taking attributes of the image and attributing them to the likeness.
Why do you make such stupid statements? Rhetorical.
marhig
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Thought I was on ignore?
oatmeal
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oatmeal
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Luke 2:40 according to the texts reads as follows:
And the child grew, and waxed strong filled with wisdom and the grace of God was upon him.
In fact all the texts omit "in spirit"
For that matter if Jesus God why the strange proclamation that the grace of God was UPON him. If he was God, why say that? God is the source of grace, Jesus was not the source,but a willing recipient and sharer of that grace.
Christ means anointed. Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with holy spirit and with power, he did not have it until he was so anointed.
Who anointed him according to Acts 10:38?
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
a. Jesus anointed himself
b God anointed him.
For that matter what does Peter say about who was with Jesus Christ?
God was with him.
Did Peter say that God is Jesus and that Jesus is God?
Nope.
Peter said God was with him.
We need to read more carefully if we are going to learn the sense of scripture.
oatmeal
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Because you have now changed the grammar of words that are not plural
Here is what it says:
[And created] [Gods] [man] [in His own image] [in the image] [of Gods] [He created] [them] [male] [and female] [He created] [them]
Literally translated, it reads as this:
And Gods He created man in His own image, in the image of Gods He created them, male and female He created them.
Every single time that "Elohim" (Gods) is always followed by a verb, the verb is singular, even though the noun, "Elohim" is plural.
In English, that would be a grammatical error. But Moses, in the very first verse of the Bible, used "Elohim," a plural noun, and "bara," a singular verb. Do you think he made an error?
[In the beginning] [created] [Gods] [-] [the heavens] [and] [the earth]
In the beginning, Gods He created the heavens and the earth.
Thank you for the additional information on how God uses the figure of speech, heterosis of number to make clear his magnificence as God
marhig
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Oatmeal, I don't believe that Jesus is God. I mean that I believe that he always had the Holy Spirit with him, not just from when he was baptised by John. God was always with Jesus.
And I believe he was anointed before he was 30, he had wisdom and was strong in the Spirit as a child and he was about his father's business at 12 years old. Even those who heard him when he was 12 were amazed at his understanding, and that came from the Holy Spirit who was always with him. He always put God first, even from being a young child, and the Spirit grew stronger and stronger in him until it was his time to go and preach.
God was always with Jesus. He was born of God in the womb, so God was always with him and he never left him because Jesus always did what pleased the father.
Elia
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What is the difference between soul and spirit?
NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that God is triune.
ALL OVER the Bible it is stated that God is one.
Why do you reject the Biblical fact in order to replace it with an extra-Biblical fabrication of men?
That there is a difference is evident from the scripture:
"For the word of Elohim is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".
The dividing asunder is the separation of soul and spirit in the understanding. There is more comfort in this knowledge than I could possibly explain. Read every verse that contains the word soul and every verse that contains the word spirit.
Notice the term Holy Spirit and not Holy Soul.
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It is impossible to worship Elohim in spirit and in truth without having received the revelation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is impossible to trust, worship or serve Him because you neither know Him or His ways.
You can't understand the Book of the Revelation of Messiah without the understanding of the office of Yah Shua Messiah, without the comprehension of the will of the Father as discovered by the Son at the opening of the Book and the seals.The comprehension is worked in the holy by the Holy Spirit who glorifies Messiah and not himself.
Deny any one of the trinity and you deny all. You do so because ye are judged and ye know not the Truth, ye are blinded by the prince of the cosmos and by the will of the Father.
You can't understand the Book of the Revelation of Messiah without the understanding of the office of Yah Shua Messiah, without the comprehension of the will of the Father as discovered by the Son at the opening of the Book and the seals.The comprehension is worked in the holy by the Holy Spirit who glorifies Messiah and not himself.
Deny any one of the trinity and you deny all. You do so because ye are judged and ye know not the Truth, ye are blinded by the prince of the cosmos and by the will of the Father.
Yes, God is one... in three...
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
-1 John 5:7
Elia
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And what about 1 John 5:7? "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
Well, this looks like a great text to proof a trinity, except for the fact that this is a falsification of your Bible. In the original Greek manuscripts of the New Testament this verse doesn't exist.
This text is later added to you Bible, in a desperate attempt to proof a trinity which cannot be proven.
The NT has come to us in bits and pieces. A Gospel from here, the letters of Paul from there... The first ones who compiled of this a reliable text of the NT where Westcott and Hort who did so in 1881.
In that Greek text of the NT is written in 1 John 5:7; "For there are three that testify"
That's all.
Followed by verse 8: "the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one."
The whole part about the Father, the word and the holy spirit, and that those are one, doesn't exist in the original Greek text.
Nowadays the Greek text of dr Eberhard Nestle is the most reliable text of the NT, and in 1 John 5:7+8 it is exactly the same as the text of Westcott and Hort.
You don't have to take my word for it, just ask your pastor or reverend, and he'll confirm these facts.
About 30,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament have been found.
Of those thousands manuscripts that trinity formula is to be found in only four (4) manuscripts, and not one of those four goes back any further than the sixteenth century.
Therefore all Bible scholars agree that it is a 16th century falsification. Some say it was a note in the margin which ended up in the text.
Therefore all modern Bible translations leave out that part that doesn't belong in your Bible. Some translations put it between brackets, and some old ones like the KJV still have it in the text.
Old translations like the KJV are based on the so called "Textus Receptus", and that is based on relatively young and unreliable manuscripts.
The textus receptus of the Greek NT is compiled by Erasmus, and published in 1516.
The interesting part is that the first edition of the Textus Receptus didn't have that trinity formula in 1 John 5:7. When the church asked him why he didn't put in the Comma Johanneum, he answered: "I have never in my life seen a Greek manuscript which contains it."
Then the church showed him one, (the ink probably still wet on it) and in the following editions the comma was included.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textus_Receptus
"Erasmus had been studying Greek New Testament manuscripts for many years, in the Netherlands, France, England and Switzerland, noting their many variants, but had only six Greek manuscripts immediately accessible to him in Basel.[5] They all dated from the 12th Century or later, and only one came from outside the mainstream Byzantine tradition. Consequently, most modern scholars consider his text to be of dubious quality.[7]
With the third edition of Erasmus' Greek text (1522) the Comma Johanneum was included, because "Erasmus chose to avoid any occasion for slander rather than persisting in philological accuracy", even though he remained "convinced that it did not belong to the original text of l John."[8]
There is no such thing as a trinity, not in the Old Testament and not in the New Testament.
Elia
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Can somebody tell me where I can find the word "triune" in the Bible?
Thanks in advance.
The One begotten in Spirit from His Father was reborn into flesh that those born in the flesh of fathers may be reborn into the Spirit...by the Spirit of the Father Who draws him to the Son
It settles it for me that the Father has a Name...His Son has a Name...but not the Holy Spirit as it is from the Father...
marhig
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It's not in the bible, there's no truine God, there is one God and he's the father. The only Almighty living God.
Zeke
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All temple references come under allegorical teachings Galatians 4:24, that refer to an inward esoteric/spiritual meaning Luke 17:20-21, 1Cor 3:16, Acts 17:24, there is no exoteric god that existed in the past nor is there one in the future except in the mind of the mortal state programming we are influenced/deceived by, The truth is we are all part of the eternal that had no beginning nor end in the which time has no existence or influence when we awake to where we came from.
The letter is a bed time story that puts one to sleep if taken historically 2Cor 3:6, Ephesians 5:14, Luke 15:24, Galatians 1:12 awake to you're inheritance Galatians 4:1.
I noticed you didn't quote any Greek texts to support your aassertion. οτι τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τω ουρανω ο πατηρ ο λογος και το αγιον πνευμα και ουτοι οι τρεις εν εισιν - ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ Α΄ 5:7
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CherubRam
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Elohiym is not a name, it is a title; it means (God of the Living.) It can also be translated as (gods of the living.)
P.S. The words "Let Us" are AIT, assisted in translation. In other words, not in scripture.