glorydaz
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That doesn't make Him less in any way.
God is Jesus vs. Jesus is God
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That doesn't make Him less in any way.
Nang
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Did I say Jesus Christ was "less?"
The volitional subjection of the Incarnate Son, to the "greater" will of God the Father, did not effect the Divine equality of His unique Being at all . . It only reveals and explains His vicarious obedience unto a substitutional death for His people.
glorydaz
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Chill out, Mr. Nang. :wave:
I didn't say you said it. I was saying that for whoever else might be reading.
lifeisgood
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Nah, don't miss you in the Trinity thread for you do not BELIEVE in the Trinity.
I am sure if we ever met we would like each other.
I HATE YOUR false doctrine, though. We would go at it face-to-face also.
You, gt, have a thingy with definitions. You make up your own to fit your false doctrine. Therefore, mixing God's Truth with your Untruth, which only brings confusion to the Body and to UNbelievers.
So, 'three what' means 'one spirit'? Got it. :nono:
Jesus said the Father was greater than He was.
Jesus, in declaring before Abraham was I AM, made it clear that He was God.
How is that possible?
Jesus never told us, never declared in any way, that we humans would fully understand God. The Roman Catholics tried with the doctrine of the Trinity. In doing so, they declared more than we know. There is no shame in recognizing:
1) God’s nature cannot be reduced to math formulas and proofs
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2) God’s nature may be greater than our ability to understand it.
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She calls them "figures". ::juggle:
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You can say God reveals Himself in three ways.
He reveals Himself as a Spirit without a body who is the Father, and the same Spirit with a body as a Son, and His same one and only Spirit that goes forth without limit.
He is a Father figure, and a Son figure.
His titles or names are Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Savior, Redeemer, Deliverer, the Holy One; the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, King of kings, Lord of lords, and God.
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Jesus is God come as a man. Of course coming as a man is not as great as God in heaven.
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I'll go ahead and stick with the Bible, which says God is three persons.
The Bible NEVER, NEVER, NEVER says that the LORD Jesus Christ was "AS a Son".... It says that He IS and WAS a SON.
Nonsense.
God is called all of those things.
This does NOT mean that the Father put on a "Son mask".
John 17:5 (AKJV/PCE)
(17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
This verse CLEARLY, UNAMBIGUOUSLY and INCONTROVERTIBLY shows that the SON had glory WITH HIS FATHER before the creation.
Just give up your nonsense and believe the Bible.
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I meant you miss debating with me there.
I don't think you would like me.
Maybe.
Prove it that I do that. What definitions do I make up. That is ironic for you to say that since your church fathers came up with the word 'trinity'.
It is not confusion. There is only one God not three different Gods that you make.
One Spirit revealed in three ways.
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Could you give me that scripture?
The Bible says AND WAS GOD.
There is only one God and He is the Father.
Since Jesus is God, then he is also the Father.
God the Father is an invisible Spirit that lives in unapproachable light.
He also made Himself a body for Himself and gave that body up to come as a man in the flesh.
Jesus is that man in the flesh who is God, the one and only God the Father come as a Son.
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I have MANY, MANY times. I'm not going to do it again.
That's not what the Bible says. The Bible says that there is one God and that He is FATHER AND SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
Your logic is ILLOGICAL (but what else is new?).
You just conveniently IGNORE the verse the says that they were together BEFORE creation.
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If you had, you would do it again. Why withhold it?
That is not correct. The Bible says there is only one God and he is the Father.
I told you they were together before.
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Withhold it? When I've shown you at least TEN TIMES?
No, the Bible says that Father, Son and Holy Spirit ARE GOD.
So the Father came and left the Son in heaven?
You are completely insane.... back to the ignore list for you.
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musterion
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It's just another troll. TOL is full of 'em.
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Jesus is love.
That is what Jesus is.
It is what God the Father is.
They are exactly the same.
That is what Jesus is.
It is what God the Father is.
They are exactly the same.
lifeisgood
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I have NEVER debated with you. I have had 'conversations' with you. DEBATE is what you and AMR did, which BTW you lost miserably 'cause you have a thingy with 'what I, gt, say, is the truth. I, gt, can care less that you prove things to me with the Bible.'
I like you now. I can see a lot of good things in what you say, however, your tendency is to mix truth with UNtruth, which does nothing but bring confusion to everybody.
We would go at it face-to-face also.
I am sure I would like you.
I'll repeat myself, I HATE YOUR false doctrine, though.
You've got to be kidding me.
How about 'repent' means 'stopped sinning'.
I serve ONE God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
:nono:
lifeisgood
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You, gt, are probably serving a schizophrenic god who talks to himself and hear voices reverberating in his head. :idunno:
How sad that you cannot see God's Truth only gt's truth.
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