Gap theory - Gen 1-2 ??

Rondonmonson

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You keep denying what God tells us. God tells of the beginning" in Genesis 1. It is an account of Him creating over the course of six days. Jesus connects humanity "from the beginning" and from the foundations of the world.

Again, Man was created on the Sixth Day.....Not the first day. And since the First day to the End of the Sixth Day was from 13.7 Billion years to 6000 years ago it MATTERS A WHOLE LOT which day we are peaking of.

Jesus did confirm the creation account and the young universe. That is why so many of the early church fathers and great theologians like Wesley preached against compromise in Genesis

Ummmmmm Nope.
 

Rondonmonson

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You keep arguing what you stated. (Your spin on scripture)
I trust what God stated. "*And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

I WILL.......

And the Darkness was First, my point was proven to be true.
 

clefty

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I WILL.......

And the Darkness was First, my point was proven to be true.

Only by ignoring things...

Namely this darkness was not called evening. Nor was it called Night until after light...

And they, the evening and morning after occuring were only then numbered as completed.

Each day's creative act having occured during the day light hours which came to be evening which came to be night ending in morning-the Xth day
 

George Affleck

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Jesus said nothing about how old the Creation was.

Incorrect.

He said Exo 20:11

Unless, of course, another one of your heresies is that He was not available for input into the recording of the Word during the time of Moses. Seeing as how John says He is the Word. Jhn 1:1, Jhn 1:14

We know the universe is 13.7 Billion years old and Man is 6000 years old. We know these things.

Incorrect again. Exo 20:11
 

6days

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And the Darkness was First, my point was proven to be true.
If your point is that you accept God's definition of a day "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."..... Then we agree.

But, you keep trying to explain that God meant billions of years. You deny God's Word and the science which supports it.
 

clefty

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If your point is that you accept God's definition of a day "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."..... Then we agree.

But, you keep trying to explain that God meant billions of years. You deny God's Word and the science which supports it.

Plants were created the 3rd day...the sun the 4th...I guess for the billions of years before the sun it was electric grow lights?
 

Rondonmonson

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Only by ignoring things...

Namely this darkness was not called evening. Nor was it called Night until after light...

And they, the evening and morning after occuring were only then numbered as completed.

Each day's creative act having occured during the day light hours which came to be evening which came to be night ending in morning-the Xth day

As the First Day (9.2 Billion years ended, then it was called a complete Day (period of time). Thus the Evening was first then the Morning.

400 Million years of Darkness was first. Followed by 9 Billion yeas of Stars forming. Believing in a Santa Clause doesn't make it true.
 

Rondonmonson

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Incorrect.

He said Exo 20:11

Unless, of course, another one of your heresies is that He was not available for input into the recording of the Word during the time of Moses. Seeing as how John says He is the Word. Jhn 1:1, Jhn 1:14

No, I understand Jesus has always been, notice I stated that God said He created man in OUR image and in OUR likeness etc. because the Father Son and Holy Spirit have always been. But Jesus said nothing about the Creation during his lifetime on earth. And the scripture you just pulled out solves nothing. I say it means Billions of years, so what have you proven ? Nothing. Your Eureka moment just flopped.
 

Rondonmonson

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If your point is that you accept God's definition of a day "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."..... Then we agree.

But, you keep trying to explain that God meant billions of years. You deny God's Word and the science which supports it.

You are just confused by the facts.
 

clefty

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As the First Day (9.2 Billion years ended, then it was called a complete Day (period of time). Thus the Evening was first then the Morning.

The evening was first then the morning...Night happened between evening and morning...and evening happened at the end of Daylight...the numbering occured after the Day became evening, and the night became morning...

400 Million years of Darkness was first. Followed by 9 Billion yeas of Stars forming.
yes yes as a Big Bang...and there was Light out of nothing...your theory demands more faith than mine actually...ironic

Believing in a Santa Clause doesn't make it true.
believing man's traditions is not really what creation is about though is it...

If I am wrong...no big deal...not so much for you if you are wrong...
 

clefty

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No, I understand Jesus has always been, notice I stated that God said He created man in OUR image and in OUR likeness etc. because the Father Son and Holy Spirit have always been. But Jesus said nothing about the Creation during his lifetime on earth. And the scripture you just pulled out solves nothing. I say it means Billions of years, so what have you proven ? Nothing. Your Eureka moment just flopped.

They have always been but needed evolution to entertain themselves with?

They are limited in their miraculous capacities and must lie when saying it was spoken and was so...and each according to their kind...
 

clefty

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Sun and Earth came at the 4.5 Billion year mark. At the same time. The Second Day.

Thats not the creative narrative...earth without form before Light first day...sun fourth day...plants third...

In evolution did plants happen when the sun did? Before even?
 
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Rondonmonson

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They have always been but needed evolution to entertain themselves with?

They are limited in their miraculous capacities and must lie when saying it was spoken and was so...and each according to their kind...

So God giving a command is evolution? Evolution is the world forming on its own. Not God forming it over 6 Days or 13.7 Billion years.

The lie is you just don't understand what was written.
 

S-word

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The 6 periods of creation are 6 generations of the universe, 6 separate universal bodies, which were the parental universes from which this one was created.

The word generation in Hebrew is 'TOLEDOTH' which word is used 38 times in the Old Testament, and in each and every instance, 'TOLEDOTH' refers to recorded genealogies, those six periods of universal Activity are the ancestors of this universe in which we live.

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists. A universe that exists in the two states of visible matter and invisible energy=anti-matter.

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Enoch the righteous wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon,etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in space-time, but not in our three dimensional time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are cast back into the refining fires, and born again into the cycles of physical manifestation, the eternal cycles of rebirths.

A DAY (YOM) eternal, with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon. The words of Enoch, the only exception of all mankind, as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, to have been carried to the very throne of the Most High where he was Anointed as his successor, and translated in order that he should never see death.
 

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However those 11 chapters are the very foundation of the Gospel prophesying of Christ and explaining our lost condition without Him. Those 11 chapters also are the foundation of every Christian doctrine.

Every portion of God's word is equally imperative and important.
 

S-word

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You really have tried to think this out eh? Lol

Except that evening needs Light...diminishing light...so the first day began at evening?

how do you seperate the darkness that hovered over the waters from the darkness of the first evening/night of the first day?...you cant...darkness was not called night...darkness was only called night after there was Light...day becoming evening into darkness now called night...

You forget how easy it would be for Him to make all our calculations fail in order that we have faith in His word alone...as if He couldn't make a star appear billions of years old...

Or how easy it would be for satan to counterfeit the evidence and plant dinosaur bones or any other means to lead us away from a faith in His word alone...

You conclude He couldn't do it as He said He did...make it in six days and nights...was He a liar then?

So now how about water over everything and ALL SPECIES OF ANIMALS ON A BOAT MADE OUT OF WOOD and IN 100 YEARS...

How about raising someone from the dead...also too hard for Him? maybe symbolic of something else?

You obviously dont respect how rediculous this life of faith is...we will be mocked hated by the world...

Hi there clefty. What time on the night of the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, did Pilate sentence Jesus to death? See John 19: 13 and 14.

What time of the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover Did darkness cover the land around Jerusalem? See Matthew 27: 45.

There was night=evening first, then there was day=morning.

Jesus ate his last supper with his disciples in the beginning of the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, He was arrested early that night by guards who came with lanterns, he was sentenced to death by Pilate at the sixth hour of the 12 hour period of darkness on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, that preceded the following 12 hours of Light of the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover

A day has 12 hours does it not said Jesus, so work while the light is with you.

He was nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour of the 12 hours of light that followed the 12 hour of Darkness on the day of Preparation to the Jewish Passover. Darkness covered the land at the sixth hour of the 12 hours of light that followed the 12 hours of darkness on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover and he died at the 9th hour of the 12 hour period of light that followed the 12 hours of Darkness on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, and was buried as the sun was setting on the day of Preparation to the Jewish Passover, Just as the Jews were preparing to eat of their Passover Lambs that had been slaughtered on the day of preparation to their Passover meal, which they ate in the evening, which was the beginning of the first of their seven day festival of unleavened bread.
 
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