For whosoever shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved!

[Nanja]

Faith / Believing in the One True God is a Gift of the Spirit Eph. 2:8 given in New Birth exclusively to God's Election of Grace.

2 Thess. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[marke]

Faith / Believing in the One True God is a Gift of the Spirit Eph. 2:8 given in New Birth exclusively to God's Election of Grace.

2 Thess. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

God has chosen to sanctify every sinner who comes to God by faith seeking forgiveness of sins.

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Sinners who are enlightened by the Holy Ghost and yet refuse to believe and obey God will be damned because they rejected the light. Those who reject the light that is given them by the Holy Spirit will be sent strong delusion to believe lies instead of the truth. Bible students who think unsaved sinners are already as deluded at birth as anyone can be fail to see that sinners who reject the light bring on themselves greater darkness because of that rejection, thus proving sinners are not born in total darkness but will enter total darkness if they reject the light.

2 Thessalonians 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[marke]

God has chosen to sanctify every sinner who comes to God by faith seeking forgiveness of sins.

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Sinners who are enlightened by the Holy Ghost and yet refuse to believe and obey God will be damned because they rejected the light. Those who reject the light that is given them by the Holy Spirit will be sent strong delusion to believe lies instead of the truth. Bible students who think unsaved sinners are already as deluded at birth as anyone can be fail to see that sinners who reject the light bring on themselves greater darkness because of that rejection, thus proving sinners are not born in total darkness but will enter total darkness if they reject the light.

2 Thessalonians 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

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[beloved57]

Only those who believe the Gospel are saved, and those that do not believe it will perish. We have learned that believing the Gospel is the principal evidence that a person is saved, that he has received elucidation from God, and the gift of Faith to believe God’s Truth.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Only those who believe the Gospel are saved,

And how can they believe if they have not heard, and how can they hear if there is no preacher?

and those that do not believe it will perish.

Thank you for conceding that belief comes before salvation.

We have learned that believing the Gospel is the principal evidence that a person is saved,

You may have been taught that, but it's not ture, and definitely not consistent with what you just said.

Believing is the prerequisite that must be met for God to save someone. NEVER in scripture does God save someone who has not first believed.

that he has received elucidation from God, and the gift of Faith to believe God’s Truth.

There is no such thing as "the gift of Faith."

 

[beloved57]

And how can they believe if they have not heard, and how can they hear if there is no preacher?



Thank you for conceding that belief comes before salvation.



You may have been taught that, but it's not ture, and definitely not consistent with what you just said.

Believing is the prerequisite that must be met for God to save someone. NEVER in scripture does God save someone who has not first believed.



There is no such thing as "the gift of Faith."

One has to be saved in order to believe the Gospel because its [the Gospel] is hidden to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[JudgeRightly]

One has to be saved in order to believe the Gospel

FALSE.

One has to HEAR the gospel in order to believe it.

Hearing THEN believing THEN saved.

Never the other way around.

As Paul says:

For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? . . . So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:13-14,17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:13-14,17&version=NKJV

Whoever calls, SHALL BE saved. Not "is saved." Not "was already saved." Not "was given the gift of faith." Not "one has to believe in order to believe the gospel."

A preacher preaches, and the unbeliever hears.
He hears, then he believes.
He believes, then he calls.
He calls, then he is saved.

This progression is outlined CLEARLY by Paul in Romans 10. Why do you ignore it?

because its [the Gospel] is hidden to them that are lost

2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

And how did they become lost? Was it by God's decree before the foundation of the earth? Or was it because they refuse to believe so as to be saved? (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

It's hidden to those who have been blinded, AS A RESULT of them not believing, B57. Not because they could never see, not because they were always lost, but because through their refusal to believe the gospel they became blinded, lest light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[beloved57]

FALSE.

One has to HEAR the gospel in order to believe it.

Hearing THEN believing THEN saved.

Never the other way around.

As Paul says:

For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? . . . So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:13-14,17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:13-14,17&version=NKJV

Whoever calls, SHALL BE saved. Not "is saved." Not "was already saved." Not "was given the gift of faith." Not "one has to believe in order to believe the gospel."

A preacher preaches, and the unbeliever hears.
He hears, then he believes.
He believes, then he calls.
He calls, then he is saved.

This progression is outlined CLEARLY by Paul in Romans 10. Why do you ignore it?



And how did they become lost? Was it by God's decree before the foundation of the earth? Or was it because they refuse to believe so as to be saved? (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

It's hidden to those who have been blinded, AS A RESULT of them not believing, B57. Not because they could never see, not because they were always lost, but because through their refusal to believe the gospel they became blinded, lest light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Again the Lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to them 2 Cor 4:3-4

 

[JudgeRightly]

Again the Lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to them 2 Cor 4:3-4

And why is it hidden to them? Because they closed their eyes to it, and refused to believe it.

 

[beloved57]

And why is it hidden to them? Because they closed their eyes to it, and refused to believe it.

It tells you why its hidden, because they are lost.

 

[JudgeRightly]

It tells you why its hidden, because they are lost.

Why are they lost? They're lost because they refuse to believe.

 

[beloved57]

Why are they lost? They're lost because they refuse to believe.

A lost person cant believe because the gospel is hidden from them 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[JudgeRightly]

A lost person cant believe because the gospel is hidden from them 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Repeating yourself won't make your argument succeed, B57.

In addition: the verse does NOT say that a lost person CANNOT believe, but rather, that he doesn't believe, and as a result, his mind has been blinded by the god of this world, therefore the gospel is hidden from them.

I have already responded to your statement, citing Paul, who explains that those who were not saved DID NOT RECEIVE the love of the truth, which tells us that they could have received it, but instead refused it.

And how did they become lost? Was it by God's decree before the foundation of the earth? Or was it because they refuse to believe so as to be saved? (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

It's hidden to those who have been blinded, AS A RESULT of them not believing, B57. Not because they could never see, not because they were always lost, but because through their refusal to believe the gospel they became blinded, lest light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Thus, a lost person who doesn't believe can still believe, if they stop covering their eyes and ears.

Why are they lost? They're lost because they refuse to believe.

and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. - 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians2:10-12&version=NKJV

And why is it hidden to them? Because they closed their eyes to it, and refused to believe it.

Jesus explained this in Matthew 13:

He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ - Matthew 13:11-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew13:11-15&version=NKJV

The hearts grew dull.
Their eyes have closed.

They weren't born with dull hearts nor without eyes to see.

 

[beloved57]

Repeating yourself won't make your argument succeed, B57.

In addition: the verse does NOT say that a lost person CANNOT believe, but rather, that he doesn't believe, and as a result, his mind has been blinded by the god of this world, therefore the gospel is hidden from them.

I have already responded to your statement, citing Paul, who explains that those who were not saved DID NOT RECEIVE the love of the truth, which tells us that they could have received it, but instead refused it.



Thus, a lost person who doesn't believe can still believe, if they stop covering their eyes and ears.



and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. - 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians2:10-12&version=NKJV



Jesus explained this in Matthew 13:

He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ - Matthew 13:11-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew13:11-15&version=NKJV

The hearts grew dull.
Their eyes have closed.

They weren't born with dull hearts nor without eyes to see.

A lost person cant believe the Gospel because the Gospel is hidden from him 2 Cor 4:3-4. Explain how one can believe something that is hidden from them. That word hid means:

1. to hide, veil
   1. to hinder the knowledge of a thing

Also the word is in the perfect tense, its permanently being hidden while in a lost state. And all men are born in a lost state and unbelievers.

 

[JudgeRightly]

A lost person cant believe the Gospel because the Gospel is hidden from him 2 Cor 4:3-4. Explain how one can believe something that is hidden from them. That word hid means:

1. to hide, veil
   1. to hinder the knowledge of a thing

How? By humbling themselves and opening their eyes, and uncovering their ears.

Also the word is in the perfect tense,

From :

The Perfect Tense is a tense of verbs in Koine Greek. It is usually used to show that a past event has occurred with present ongoing consequences.

With that clearly defined:

its permanently being hidden

This is flatly false.

There is nothing "permanent" about a perfect tense verb in Koine Greek. The action has occurred, and is still ongoing, but there is no reason to think that the action cannot cease.

As such, where there is life, there's hope.

A person is not guaranteed to go to hell until they die in unbelief, as there is always a possibility that they might repent towards God just before they die, and if they do, God is gracious and merciful enough to forgive them.

while in a lost state.

And yet, what does a lost person need? To be found.

Who is the One seeking? God.

Or, as Jesus Himself said:

for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.” - Luke 19:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke19:10&version=NKJV

Do you think that God cannot work in a lost person's heart and draw them to Him?

And all men are born in a lost state and unbelievers.

There is NO scripture that supports this, and you know it, because I have confronted you on this before. NOT ONE VERSE in the ENTIRE BIBLE says that all men are born in a lost state.

 

[beloved57]

How? By humbling themselves and opening their eyes, and uncovering their ears.



From :

The Perfect Tense is a tense of verbs in Koine Greek. It is usually used to show that a past event has occurred with present ongoing consequences.

With that clearly defined:



This is flatly false.

There is nothing "permanent" about a perfect tense verb in Koine Greek. The action has occurred, and is still ongoing, but there is no reason to think that the action cannot cease.

As such, where there is life, there's hope.

A person is not guaranteed to go to hell until they die in unbelief, as there is always a possibility that they might repent towards God just before they die, and if they do, God is gracious and merciful enough to forgive them.



And yet, what does a lost person need? To be found.

Who is the One seeking? God.

Or, as Jesus Himself said:

for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.” - Luke 19:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke19:10&version=NKJV

Do you think that God cannot work in a lost person's heart and draw them to Him?



There is NO scripture that supports this, and you know it, because I have confronted you on this before. NOT ONE VERSE in the ENTIRE BIBLE says that all men are born in a lost state.

The Lost person cannot believe the Gospel because its being hid from him, he has no knowledge of it. 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

God must first save a person in order for them to believe the Gospel, because its hid to the lost.

 

[JudgeRightly]

God must first save a person in order for them to believe the Gospel,

False and contrary to scripture, which says believing comes before being saved.

because its hid to the lost.

Which isn't permanent.

 

[beloved57]

False and contrary to scripture, which says believing comes before being saved.



Which isn't permanent.

Its according to scripture since the lost person has the Gospel hidden from them resulting in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

As already stated, hid here is in the perfect tense, the Gospel will be hidden as long as one is in a lost state. And a person is in a lost state until and if they are made alive by grace by newbirth, or quickening.

 

[marke]

Only those who believe the Gospel are saved, and those that do not believe it will perish. We have learned that believing the Gospel is the principal evidence that a person is saved, that he has received elucidation from God, and the gift of Faith to believe God’s Truth.

Of course. All a sinner needs to do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.

Acts 16

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.