FOR GRACE GOSPEL BELIEVERS ONLY.

[Jacob]

Untel, you have a bunch of threads already, but you felt you could take over this one, too. That's ridiculous. Your "innocent" act is getting quite tiring. I'm not buying it.

You have been searching for what can never be found through googling Jewish sites. You've decided you're some "new creation" called a Jewish/Christian, and you've taken up bits and pieces of both. Sadly, Untel, you're more confused than ever, and you need to keep from disrupting threads like this one as you wander around like the lost soul you clearly are.

I don't take your attack personally. It is untrue and unfounded. Do you have anything else you would like to say? For many posts no one else responded. There is nothing wrong with Jewish websites, whether I were to look at them or not. My study of Judaism is not limited to websites nor did it originate with them. There is no such thing as a new creation Jewish/Christian. A person can however be both a Jew or Jewish and a Christian.

 

[musterion]

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[glorydaz]

I don't take your attack personally.

That wasn't an attack, it was a rebuke.

It is untrue and unfounded.

I wasn't lying. I was stating what I've seen....based on what you've written. So, it wasn't unfounded.

Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Lots of things.

For many posts no one else responded.

No one had a chance before you'd irritated the author of the OP.

There is nothing wrong with Jewish websites, whether I were to look at them or not. My study of Judaism is not limited to websites nor did it originate with them. There is no such thing as a new creation Jewish/Christian. A person can however be both a Jew or Jewish and a Christian.

Well, you aren't a Jew. What I'm wondering is whether you're a Christian. If you're looking to the law for some other purpose than what I posted, then I'd have to consider you a wanna be Jew and a wanna be Christian....some sort of wanna be hybrid. Which will get you nowhere. You can't sit on the fence between law and grace and expect anyone to listen.

 

[Jacob]

That wasn't an attack, it was a rebuke.



I wasn't lying. I was stating what I've seen....based on what you've written. So, it wasn't unfounded.



Lots of things.



No one had a chance before you'd irritated the author of the OP.



Well, you aren't a Jew. What I'm wondering is whether you're a Christian. If you're looking to the law for some other purpose than what I posted, then I'd have to consider you a wanna be Jew and a wanna be Christian....some sort of wanna be hybrid. Which will get you nowhere. You can't sit on the fence between law and grace and expect anyone to listen.

Is this Jewish or Christian? Maybe both.

1 Timothy 1:5-11 NASB - 5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

I have no reason to irritate anyone.

 

[Robert Pate]

This thread was immediately derailed by an anti-Pauline adherent!

That's normal.

The biblical definition for the word "Grace" means God's undeserved favor towards fallen man. The Catholics have a different definition for the word grace.

A good example of this would be... "But God commended his love towards us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8.

Was God obligated to send Jesus into the world to save fallen man? Yes. Because God is just, merciful and righteous he had to do something. If he did nothing he would NOT be just, merciful and righteous. God is love and he demonstrates his love towards us in that while we were yet sinners he sends his only begotten Son into the world to atone for our sins and the sins of the whole world, John 3:16.

God always does what is right, that is why we can trust him. If God had not provided salvation for fallen man then we could accuse him of not doing the right thing. But now everyone is without an excuse because salvation has been provided for all through the suffering of Jesus.

 

[Jacob]

This thread was immediately derailed by an anti-Pauline adherent!

I am not anti-Pauline. I don't know why you think I am. I accept the entire Bible. Paul is NO exception.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

 

[john w]

Act 4:29 ...... .
Act 4:32 [/YELLOW].

Lev. 7 KJV

Likewise this is the law of the trespass offering: it is most holy. 2 In the place where they kill the burnt offering shall they kill the trespass offering: and the blood thereof shall he sprinkle round about upon the altar. 3 And he shall offer of it all the fat thereof; the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, 4 and the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them, which is by the flanks, and the caul that is above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away: 5 and the priest shall burn them upon the altar for an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a trespass offering. 6 Every male among the priests shall eat thereof: it shall be eaten in the holy place: it is most holy. 7 As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it. 8 And the priest that offereth any man’s burnt offering, even the priest shall have to himself the skin of the burnt offering which he hath offered. 9 And all the meat offering that is baken in the oven, and all that is dressed in the fryingpan, and in the pan, shall be the priest’s that offereth it. 10 And every meat offering, mingled with oil, and dry, shall all the sons of Aaron have, one as much as another.

11 And this is the law of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which he shall offer unto the Lord. 12 If he offer it for a thanksgiving, then he shall offer with the sacrifice of thanksgiving unleavened cakes mingled with oil, and unleavened wafers anointed with oil, and cakes mingled with oil, of fine flour, fried. 13 Besides the cakes, he shall offer for his offering leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offerings. 14 And of it he shall offer one out of the whole oblation for an heave offering unto the Lord, and it shall be the priest’s that sprinkleth the blood of the peace offerings. 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 but the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. 19 And the flesh that toucheth any unclean thing shall not be eaten; it shall be burnt with fire: and as for the flesh, all that be clean shall eat thereof. 20 But the soul that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the Lord, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul shall be cut off from his people. 21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the Lord, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

22 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 23 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no manner of fat, of ox, or of sheep, or of goat. 24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it. 25 For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people. 26 Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, whether it be of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings. 27 Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

28 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 29 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, He that offereth the sacrifice of his peace offerings unto the Lord shall bring his oblation unto the Lord of the sacrifice of his peace offerings. 30 His own hands shall bring the offerings of the Lord made by fire, the fat with the breast, it shall he bring, that the breast may be waved for a wave offering before the Lord. 31 And the priest shall burn the fat upon the altar: but the breast shall be Aaron’s and his sons’. 32 And the right shoulder shall ye give unto the priest for an heave offering of the sacrifices of your peace offerings. 33 He among the sons of Aaron, that offereth the blood of the peace offerings, and the fat, shall have the right shoulder for his part. 34 For the wave breast and the heave shoulder have I taken of the children of Israel from off the sacrifices of their peace offerings, and have given them unto Aaron the priest and unto his sons by a statute for ever from among the children of Israel.

35 This is the portion of the anointing of Aaron, and of the anointing of his sons, out of the offerings of the Lord made by fire, in the day when he presented them to minister unto the Lord in the priest’s office; 36 which the Lord commanded to be given them of the children of Israel, in the day that he anointed them, by a statute for ever throughout their generations. 37 This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings; 38 which the Lord commanded Moses in mount Sinai, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their oblations unto the Lord, in the wilderness of Sinai.


So there.

 

[glorydaz]

Is this Jewish or Christian? Maybe both.

1 Timothy 1:5-11 NASB - 5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

I have no reason to irritate anyone.

What Jew realizes this?

 

[Jacob]

What Jew realizes this?

Paul wrote this to Timothy.

 

[glorydaz]

Paul wrote this to Timothy.

That doesn't answer my question. Try again.

 

[Jacob]

That doesn't answer my question. Try again.

Can you answer the question from scripture or are you looking for a different type of answer?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Since you want to be a Hebrew Un, do you keep the law 100%??

 

[Jacob]

Since you want to be a Hebrew Un, do you keep the law 100%??

No, but I keep much of the Law that fellow Christians do not.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Or, do you pick and choose what laws you abide with?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

No, but I keep much of the Law that fellow Christians do not.

They don't have to. That's the idea. They already have the righteousness of Christ.

 

[Jacob]

Or, do you pick and choose what laws you abide with?

No. I am Jewish but not a Jew and some of the commands might be seen as having to do with becoming a Jew. I don't wear tzit-tzit.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You're a fence sitter Un. Pick one: Christian or Jew and stick with it.

 

[Jacob]

They don't have to. That's the idea. They already have the righteousness of Christ.

True, but I am not saying they have to, only that God judges us all by the same standard whether it is the Law in commonality or the life of Jesus Christ as a demonstration of how we are to live and where we have fallen short.

 

[glorydaz]

Is this Jewish or Christian? Maybe both.

1 Timothy 1:5-11 NASB - 5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

What Jew realizes this?

Paul wrote this to Timothy.

Can you answer the question from scripture or are you looking for a different type of answer?

You asked, "Is this Jewish or Christian?" I asked you what Jew realizes what Paul wrote there. Now, you have to answer my question before I can respond to your next question.

You see, Untel, I have learned that you love to ask questions that are simply a bit....how shall I say this.....foolish.
So, you need to figure out a way to communicate because what you're doing isn't working out for you. :think: