musterion
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Show where Peter preached the Cross as the power of God unto salvation for Jew and Gentile alike before Paul did.
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Show where Peter preached the Cross as the power of God unto salvation for Jew and Gentile alike before Paul did.
They won't answer because they can't
They are more interested in defending Darby than believing Paul's words.
(Gal 1:23) ...“The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.”
You are so afraid of the above verse, you keep ignoring it every time.
You're way off base as usual Arseniooos
musterion
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Yes we can. You've been told this dozens of times and you've ignored it every time.
The faith that Saul attacked was Christ as Messiah. As Paul, he did prove from the Scriptures that Christ was Messiah in every synagogue he visited.
That, however, was not the musterion of Christ he was given and which marked his ministry and Gospel as unique. Rom 16:25, Eph 3:9.
No he's not.
Christ Jesus Himself preached the cross before Paul.
Paul preached the faith he once tried to destroy.
MAD is a mess.
You're wrong again.
Christ Jesus was the first to preach mysteries hidden since the foundation of the world.
(Matt 13:35) So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."
musterion
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You lie. Christ told his disciples to be willing to take up their own literal crosses, if need be. Then Peter and Stephen both indicted Israel with Messiah's murder... presenting the Cross as the worst thing Israel did.
But Paul preached Christ's cross alone as the means of the believer's death in Him and, from death, life in Him...presenting the Cross as the best thing God ever did for man.
Wrong again.
They indicted the Jews and Jerusalem, not Israel.
If you understood the difference, you wouldn't be so confused.
(Acts 10:39) “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross,
Arsenios
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Gal 1:23
The one persecuting us before,
is now preaching the Faith
which once he was destroying
These are Paul's words...
WHICH Faith is Paul preaching?
The SAME Faith which once he was attacking...
It is hard to kick against the pricks...
Slapping and spitting won't help either...
Arsenios
brewmama
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What insanity...Why do you guys imply that only Paul got revelation? You really discount the Apostles learning at Christ's side as NOT revelation?
Or that Paul wrote letters before Peter, therefore he was preaching something different before Peter?
Do you have any idea how silly and ignorant that sounds?
Or that Paul wrote letters before Peter, therefore he was preaching something different before Peter?
Do you have any idea how silly and ignorant that sounds?
rougueone
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Heir, I have read Corinthians many times. Noting it is believed Paul wrote about 3/4 of the New Testament. I have never perceived Paul as saying follow Paul. But the words he speaks is to obey and follow Jesus.
Your belief that Christ already returned in 70AD kind of hurts your
testimony of faith in the Bible and Christ. Not to mention, it hurts
your validity.
Your belief in Catholicism blinds you from the truth of God's Holy Word.
70AD is your focus point.
No.
Jesus preached that to follow Christ one must take up their own cross as He did His.
It was not a matter of others taking up wooden ones.
Jesus was speaking the spiritual truth, which His followers would do after He was risen from the dead.---
Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
So it was not a matter of "if it need be" , it was imperative.
I have to tell you that the 3000 were Jews from 17 other nations.
Unless you take up your own cross you can not be Christ's disciple.
LA
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
LA
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As with the kingdom of God being within a Christian, likewise it is to be understood that his cross is within him as well. It can be defined as "old man" or "self" as in anything of the soul that stands against the ruling government of the Kingdom of God supposedly now indwelling him [if he is a Christian]. The argument between the two "entities" [one that should already be dead by baptism, if he is a Christian] and the new birth from above, for the overcoming of the newly bought soul of the individual chosen of God, is where the battle takes place. Here:
From Peter:
"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently" 1 Peter 1:22 (KJV)
And again from Paul:
"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil" Ephesians 6:11,13 (KJV)
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