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marke

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So if they look at the calls going in, they can rebuild, at least partially, those missing hours.

Trump Was 100% Making Phone Calls During The Jan. 6 Attack: Here’s The List

As you’ve probably seen by now, White House call logs the National Archives turned over to the House Jan. 6 Committee have a seven-hour gap that don’t include any calls then-President Donald Trump made or received from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. on Jan. 6, according to the Washington Post and CBS News, which obtained the records. That wide gap runs contrary to reports of multiple calls that Trump took as the Capitol insurrection was unfolding — key conversations between Trump and his allies that have helped shape the scope of the Jan. 6 committee’s probe.

Here are the calls Trump made or fielded during that crucial window that we know of so far, according to news reports and/or people involved in the calls:

Mike Pence​

The official records don’t include Trump’s final call with then-Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 6, during which the President made one last attempt to pressure Pence to illegally hijack Congress’ election certification process, according to then-Pence adviser Gen. Keith Kellogg, who testifiedabout the conversation to the House Jan. 6 panel. The Washington Post has also reported on the call, and Bob Woodward and Robert Costa surfaced it in their book “Peril.”

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy​

Trump had an explosive call with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) in the middle of the attack, as confirmed by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-WA), who has said McCarthy briefed her on the call. That was the conversation in which Trump, responding to the GOP leader sounding the alarm of the violence unfolding in the Capitol, infamously remarked, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” according to Beutler.

Sens. Mike Lee/Tommy Tuberville​

Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) told the Salt Lake Tribune that he got a call from Trump “moments after” the Capitol Police halted the Senate proceedings as the mob breached the building. The caller ID “indicated that the call was coming from the White House,” Lee said, but he didn’t know it was Trump until he picked up. According to Lee, the then-president had apparently misdialed and meant to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), so Lee handed his phone over to the Alabama senator.

In wake of the attack, Tuberville revealed that he told Trump in that call amid the chaos that Pence was being evacuated.

Rep. Jim Jordan​

The official call logs include one 10-minute call between Trump and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) starting at 9:24 a.m. on Jan. 6. However, Jordan himself has admitted he had more than one call with Trump that day, and that at least one took place during the attack.

Rep. Matt Gaetz​

Politico reported that Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) participated in one of Jordan’s calls to Trump, during which they urged the President to call off his supporters as they were storming the building. Jordan told Politico that he’d “have to think about it” when asked to confirm if Gaetz was present. Gaetz himself has refused to say if he was part of the call.
Hundreds if not thousands of politicians must have been on the phone on Jan 6. Only deceitful, dishonest, ungodly morons label their enemies as traitors for talking on the phone.
 

annabenedetti

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There are three justices right now whose judicial philosophy is fundamentally in conflict with the founders' moral theory, utilitarian legal positivism. Their impartiality isn't just "questioned" it is positively gone. Their existence on the Court is repugnant to the Constitution.

You don't hear me saying that they are corrupt and should recuse themselves from all cases due to this defect in their thought and should be impeached, even if that's what I would prefer.

Justice Thomas is not corrupt, he doesn't need to recuse himself, and he is actually impartial.

False equivalence. The only justice in question right now is Thomas. None of the other justices' spouses were involved in texting Trump's chief of staff exhorting him to help overturn a valid election. Any Jan. 6 ruling by Thomas (not limited to his 8-1 minority dissent) should be looked at, and he should recuse himself from future Jan. 6 deliberations.

You don't know if Thomas is corrupt or not. Why would you not want to see him to adhere to the same code of ethics that Federal justices are required to adhere to, if even in spirit, out of an abundance of caution? Why do you want to lower the bar for him?
 

Arthur Brain

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So if they look at the calls going in, they can rebuild, at least partially, those missing hours.

Trump Was 100% Making Phone Calls During The Jan. 6 Attack: Here’s The List

As you’ve probably seen by now, White House call logs the National Archives turned over to the House Jan. 6 Committee have a seven-hour gap that don’t include any calls then-President Donald Trump made or received from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. on Jan. 6, according to the Washington Post and CBS News, which obtained the records. That wide gap runs contrary to reports of multiple calls that Trump took as the Capitol insurrection was unfolding — key conversations between Trump and his allies that have helped shape the scope of the Jan. 6 committee’s probe.

Here are the calls Trump made or fielded during that crucial window that we know of so far, according to news reports and/or people involved in the calls:

Mike Pence​

The official records don’t include Trump’s final call with then-Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 6, during which the President made one last attempt to pressure Pence to illegally hijack Congress’ election certification process, according to then-Pence adviser Gen. Keith Kellogg, who testifiedabout the conversation to the House Jan. 6 panel. The Washington Post has also reported on the call, and Bob Woodward and Robert Costa surfaced it in their book “Peril.”

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy​

Trump had an explosive call with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) in the middle of the attack, as confirmed by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-WA), who has said McCarthy briefed her on the call. That was the conversation in which Trump, responding to the GOP leader sounding the alarm of the violence unfolding in the Capitol, infamously remarked, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” according to Beutler.

Sens. Mike Lee/Tommy Tuberville​

Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) told the Salt Lake Tribune that he got a call from Trump “moments after” the Capitol Police halted the Senate proceedings as the mob breached the building. The caller ID “indicated that the call was coming from the White House,” Lee said, but he didn’t know it was Trump until he picked up. According to Lee, the then-president had apparently misdialed and meant to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), so Lee handed his phone over to the Alabama senator.

In wake of the attack, Tuberville revealed that he told Trump in that call amid the chaos that Pence was being evacuated.

Rep. Jim Jordan​

The official call logs include one 10-minute call between Trump and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) starting at 9:24 a.m. on Jan. 6. However, Jordan himself has admitted he had more than one call with Trump that day, and that at least one took place during the attack.

Rep. Matt Gaetz​

Politico reported that Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) participated in one of Jordan’s calls to Trump, during which they urged the President to call off his supporters as they were storming the building. Jordan told Politico that he’d “have to think about it” when asked to confirm if Gaetz was present. Gaetz himself has refused to say if he was part of the call.
Curious and curiouser..
 

annabenedetti

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Hundreds if not thousands of politicians must have been on the phone on Jan 6. Only deceitful, dishonest, ungodly morons label their enemies as traitors for talking on the phone.

😂 You think they're traitors just for talking on the phone? marke, marke, marke...

They're under scrutiny for what they said while they were on talking on the phone. If he had nothing to hide, why would Mark Meadows threaten the telecom companies? Why would the crucial hours of White House phone logs have gone missing?
 

marke

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False equivalence. The only justice in question right now is Thomas. None of the other justices' spouses were involved in texting Trump's chief of staff exhorting him to help overturn a valid election. Any Jan. 6 ruling by Thomas (not limited to his 8-1 minority dissent) should be looked at, and he should recuse himself from future Jan. 6 deliberations.

You don't know if Thomas is corrupt or not. Why would you not want him to adhere to the same code of ethics that Federal justices are required to adhere to? Why would want to lower the bar for him?
Hello? This is America, remember? Since when is it a crime for Ginni Thomas to talk to Trump? It may have been a crime, however, for Bill Clinton to have met with Loretta Lynch, if you really want to focus on the crime of "talking."


As his wife is under federal investigation for her use of a private email server, former President Bill Clinton met privately with U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch at the Phoenix Airport Monday evening in what both sides say was an unplanned encounter.

An aide to Bill Clinton confirmed to CBS News that the meeting wasn't planned in advance: President Clinton saw the attorney general on the tarmac and wanted to say hello, so he boarded her plane to talk.

The meeting comes as former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is still under investigation for her email practices--and also came the day before House Republicans released a report criticizing the Obama administration's response to the 2012 Benghazi attacks.
 

Arthur Brain

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😂 You think they're traitors just for talking on the phone? marke, marke, marke...

They're under scrutiny for what they said while they were on talking on the phone. If he had nothing to hide, why would Mark Meadows threaten the telecom companies? Why would the crucial hours of White House phone logs have gone missing?
Curious and curiouser...

Deja vu and deja vu (er)...

I really need to stop posting stuff like this...(er)
 

marke

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😂 You think they're traitors just for talking on the phone? marke, marke, marke...

They're under scrutiny for what they said while they were on talking on the phone. If he had nothing to hide, why would Mark Meadows threaten the telecom companies? Why would the crucial hours of White House phone logs have gone missing?
Democrats regularly refuse to release transcripts of their calls, so why would they think they should be privy to calls by republicans that have nothing to do with them? If some crime was committed then let prosecutors file charges, issue a warrant and go after the info legitimately. Unjust fishing-for-dirt expeditions are not legal in America and only allowed by democrats and leftists where democrats violate the law, which is often. Did not democrats impeach Trump because they mistakenly thought he was fishing for dirt on the Biden family in Ukraine?
 

annabenedetti

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Hello? This is America, remember? Since when is it a crime for Ginni Thomas to talk to Trump?

marke, marke marke... you did it again! It's not a crime to "talk" to someone, but if she created a conflict of interest for her husband, it's a problem for him, for the court, and for the American system. Whether that "talk" could get her into hot water herself remains to be seen.
 
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marke

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False equivalence. The only justice in question right now is Thomas. None of the other justices' spouses were involved in texting Trump's chief of staff exhorting him to help overturn a valid election. Any Jan. 6 ruling by Thomas (not limited to his 8-1 minority dissent) should be looked at, and he should recuse himself from future Jan. 6 deliberations.

You don't know if Thomas is corrupt or not. Why would you not want to see him to adhere to the same code of ethics that Federal justices are required to adhere to, if even in spirit, out of an abundance of caution? Why do you want to lower the bar for him?
You continue to base your assaults on republican officials on the seriously questionable narrative that Biden won the 2020 election legitimately. Evidence continies to mount daily that widespread voter fraud secured an illegitimate win for Biden. Discussing the ramifications of a crooked election is not the same thing as seeking to overthrow the legitimate government.
 

marke

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marke, marke marke... you did it again! It's not a crime to "talk" to someone, but if she created a conflict of interest for her husband, it's a problem for him, for the court, and for the American system. If that "talk" could get her into hot water herself remains to be seen.
Maybe she committed a crime. How should we deaql with thaqt possibility? Subpoena every record in existence from her and Trump? Why not then allow republicans to subpoena every record of Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and hundreds of others who "may have committed a crime?" That is not done because such blind assaults on the personal privacy rights of Americans is illegal. If prosecutors have sufficient evidence a crime was cvommitted, such as Hunter's involvement with crooked Ukrainians, or Hillary's saqle of influence, or Pelosi's profiting from real estate sales aided by her influence, or whatever, then let them go after the evidence.

Is there evidence that Ginni tried to overthrow the government? Then charge her and then go after the evidence, or let them secure a search warrant in front of a trustworthy judge listing the legitimate reasons for the search. Rumors are not sufficient evidence to issue a warrant.
 

marke

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It was as painful as it was appalling...
You did not comment on Bill Clinton's meeting with Loretta Lynch right before she dropped all charges against Hillary. You seem apalled by some activities that look crooked, but not others, and it looks like you are just biased to believe good about democrats and bad about republicans. Those inclined to believe good about whites and bad about blacks, or vica-versa, are considered really evil. You should not let your bias turn you evil.
 

annabenedetti

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Maybe she committed a crime. How should we deaql with thaqt possibility? Subpoena every record in existence from her and Trump? Why not then allow republicans to subpoena every record of Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and hundreds of others who "may have committed a crime?" That is not done because such blind assaults on the personal privacy rights of Americans is illegal. If prosecutors have sufficient evidence a crime was cvommitted, such as Hunter's involvement with crooked Ukrainians, or Hillary's saqle of influence, or Pelosi's profiting from real estate sales aided by her influence, or whatever, then let them go after the evidence.

Two GOP committees investigated Hunter Biden. There were ten Benghazi investigations. They came up with nothing. No charges. What makes you think looking into their records in the course of an investigation is illegal? And no one has a right to privacy if they are suspected of a crime. As long as the records are obtained legally, the state can do its due process. Or do you want privacy only for certain people?


Is there evidence that Ginni tried to overthrow the government?

We'll find out!
 

marke

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Two GOP committees investigated Hunter Biden. There were ten Benghazi investigations. They came up with nothing. No charges. What makes you think looking into their records in the course of an investigation is illegal? And no one has a right to privacy if they are suspected of a crime. As long as the records are obtained legally, the state can do its due process. Or do you want privacy only for certain people?
We'll find out!
Deep state officials who owe their jobs to leftists or who are close friends with leftists or who are in business or social circles with leftists or who are on the take cannot be expected to do honest investigations of leftist crooks protected by leftists. The democrat party has never been protective of the civil and constitutional rights of their enemies and we see that in their unjust attack on Ginny Thomas and, even more apalling, attacks on Justice Thomas..
 

marke

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Quite intentionally. I'm not interested in Bill Clinton, I'm interested in Trump's attempted overthrow of the 2020 election.

That's what this thread is about, remember? I'd ask you to try to stay on track, but I know it would be futile.
Leftist democrat: I don't give a frog's croak about the crimes committed by democrats, I just want to destyroy republicans any way I can by digging up dirt or the appearance of dirt on them for that purpose.
 

Idolater

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False equivalence. The only justice in question right now is Thomas.
Then why say " It isn't partisan to expect SC justices to recuse themselves from cases whenever their impartiality might reasonably be questioned. Federal law requires exactly that of federal judges. The SC should be no different. "? You invoked the entire Court. So apparently you didn't get your own memo.
None of the other justices' spouses were involved in texting Trump's chief of staff exhorting him to help overturn a valid election. Any Jan. 6 ruling by Thomas (not limited to his 8-1 minority dissent) should be looked at, and he should recuse himself from future Jan. 6 deliberations.
Opinion.
You don't know if Thomas is corrupt or not.
Why would I think or suspect that he is corrupt, apart from general paranoia? or racism?

Because his wife has an opinion? Don't you have those? You just displayed one above. Should we think that people associated with you are corrupt because you have opinions? Is this how you see people generally, as all potentially corrupt? Corrupt until proven otherwise?

He did nothing that is even circumstantial let alone a smoking gun to indicate he's corrupt.
Why would you not want to see him to adhere to the same code of ethics that Federal justices are required to adhere to, if even in spirit, out of an abundance of caution? Why do you want to lower the bar for him?
Because . . . you don't understand a thing about judicial philosophy, apparently. My answer would go over your head, again. Democrat cheerleader, pretending to be impartial, unbiased and above the fray but you're not.
 
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