Fiona Hill: "The president was trying to stage a coup"

Idolater

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You wanted to make the point that no one said "impeachment" because no one had said "impeachment?" Alrighty then.

And trying to paint it as partisan to expect SC justices to recuse themselves from cases whenever their impartiality might reasonably be questioned - when federal law requires exactly that of federal judges - is not, nor should it be, partisan. All should expect this of all judges.
Glad you got your edits in before I responded.

If you want to cheerlead for the Democrats, go right ahead. I reserve my right to call bull skubalon when it's bull skubalon, and pointing out that nobody is talking impeachment is how I'm calling bull skubalon.

It's a non-story. Fake news. Impeachment would be a story, and real news.

Partisanship, rhetoric, electioneering, narrative, spin. Justice Thomas is not corrupt.
 

ok doser

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Glad you got your edits in before I responded.

If you want to cheerlead for the Democrats, go right ahead. I reserve my right to call bull skubalon when it's bull skubalon, and pointing out that nobody is talking impeachment is how I'm calling bull skubalon.

It's a non-story. Fake news. Impeachment would be a story, and real news.

Partisanship, rhetoric, electioneering, narrative, spin. Justice Thomas is not corrupt.
But AOC demands that Thomas resign or she'll impeach him!



On the one hand you have a brilliant experienced jurist. On the other hand you have a tik tok star with a brain the size of a turnip.
 

Idolater

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But AOC demands that Thomas resign or she'll impeach him!



On the one hand you have a brilliant experienced jurist. On the other hand you have a tik tok star with a brain the size of a turnip.
AOC is one of the Democratic cheerleaders who actually got elected. Republicans have MTG. Every once in a while a cheerleader gets elected. When we're approaching becoming a nation run by the cheerleaders I'll bat an eye.
 

Idolater

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Republicans have more than just the stupid/insane MTG. They also have the stupid/insane Madison Cawthorn, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, Lyin' Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan, etc...
Granted on the first two but not the rest. So now can we play the same game with Democrats?
 

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Granted on the first two but not the rest.
"Not the rest"? Let's start with Lauren Boebert, who is a high school dropout who promotes QAnon conspiracy theories, supports Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him, voted to overturn its results during the Electoral College vote count, and supported the rioters who stormed the Capitol in protest of what they saw as election fraud. She's up for reelection in November and I'll be surprised if she wins.

Matt Gaetz is a 2020 election denier who has been accused of sex trafficking teenage girls and cocaine use. On December 19, 2017, Gaetz was the only representative to vote against the Combating Human Trafficking in Commercial Vehicles Act, a bill allocating additional government resources to help combat human trafficking. On February 27, 2018, Gaetz voted against the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act, which had by then been combined with the Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act. It passed, 388–25. On April 2, 2021, his communications director, Luke Ball, and his legislative director, Devin Murphy, resigned. On April 8, Representative Adam Kinzinger tweeted that Gaetz should resign.

Paul Gosar voted to overturn the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election. On November 17, 2021, Gosar was censured by the House of Representatives and stripped of committee assignments. Hours after the January 6 storming of the Capitol, during which one police officer and four marchers eventually died, Gosar was the first member of Congress to advance the conspiracy theory that Antifa was to blame for the violence, echoed by Brooks and Representative Matt Gaetz. As a result of Gosar's alleged involvement in the storming of the Capitol, three of his siblings called for his expulsion from Congress. In September 2018, six of Gosar's nine siblings spoke out against their brother and endorsed his Democratic opponent, David Brill, in a series of television campaign ads that drew national and international coverage. Brother David Gosar, a lawyer, declared, "We've got to stand up for our good name. This is not who we are." In February 2022, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell criticized Gosar for participating in the America First Political Action Conference hosted by white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes, saying there was no place in the party for "white supremacists or anti-Semitism".

Trump named Ted Cruz "Lyin' Ted." If you don't believe that Cruz is a liar, then you do believe that Trump is a liar. So take your pick.

Jim Jordan supported lawsuits to invalidate the election results and voted not to certify the Electoral College results after Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election and Trump refused to concede while making false claims of fraud. He has refused to cooperate with the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack.

So now can we play the same game with Democrats?
Be my guest. Expose them all, I say.
 

Idolater

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"Not the rest"? Let's start with Lauren Boebert, who is a high school dropout who promotes QAnon conspiracy theories, supports Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him, voted to overturn its results during the Electoral College vote count, and supported the rioters who stormed the Capitol in protest of what they saw as election fraud. She's up for reelection in November and I'll be surprised if she wins.

Matt Gaetz is a 2020 election denier who has been accused of sex trafficking teenage girls and cocaine use. On December 19, 2017, Gaetz was the only representative to vote against the Combating Human Trafficking in Commercial Vehicles Act, a bill allocating additional government resources to help combat human trafficking. On February 27, 2018, Gaetz voted against the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act, which had by then been combined with the Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act. It passed, 388–25. On April 2, 2021, his communications director, Luke Ball, and his legislative director, Devin Murphy, resigned. On April 8, Representative Adam Kinzinger tweeted that Gaetz should resign.

Paul Gosar voted to overturn the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election. On November 17, 2021, Gosar was censured by the House of Representatives and stripped of committee assignments. Hours after the January 6 storming of the Capitol, during which one police officer and four marchers eventually died, Gosar was the first member of Congress to advance the conspiracy theory that Antifa was to blame for the violence, echoed by Brooks and Representative Matt Gaetz. As a result of Gosar's alleged involvement in the storming of the Capitol, three of his siblings called for his expulsion from Congress. In September 2018, six of Gosar's nine siblings spoke out against their brother and endorsed his Democratic opponent, David Brill, in a series of television campaign ads that drew national and international coverage. Brother David Gosar, a lawyer, declared, "We've got to stand up for our good name. This is not who we are." In February 2022, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell criticized Gosar for participating in the America First Political Action Conference hosted by white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes, saying there was no place in the party for "white supremacists or anti-Semitism".

Trump named Ted Cruz "Lyin' Ted." If you don't believe that Cruz is a liar, then you do believe that Trump is a liar. So take your pick.

Jim Jordan supported lawsuits to invalidate the election results and voted not to certify the Electoral College results after Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election and Trump refused to concede while making false claims of fraud. He has refused to cooperate with the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack.


Be my guest. Expose them all, I say.
We could really use you in Catholicism.

Let me know if you ever want to join the dark side.

It's true what the old meme says:

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Glad you got your edits in before I responded.

I'm also glad I replaced "neither" with "not" before you replied! What a ghastly situation we'd have been in otherwise!

If you want to cheerlead for the Democrats, go right ahead. I reserve my right to call bull skubalon when it's bull skubalon, and pointing out that nobody is talking impeachment is how I'm calling bull skubalon.

It's a non-story. Fake news. Impeachment would be a story, and real news.

Partisanship, rhetoric, electioneering, narrative, spin. Justice Thomas is not corrupt.

Your drama nothwithstanding: It isn't partisan to expect SC justices to recuse themselves from cases whenever their impartiality might reasonably be questioned. Federal law requires exactly that of federal judges. The SC should be no different.
 

ok doser

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I'm also glad I replaced "neither" with "not" before you replied! What a ghastly situation we'd have been in otherwise!



Your drama nothwithstanding: It isn't partisan to expect SC justices to recuse themselves from cases whenever their impartiality might reasonably be questioned. Federal law requires exactly that of federal judges. The SC should be no different.
Why would Thomas's impartiality reasonably be questioned? Is his wife an autonomous being, or do you consider her to be subjugated under his authority, subject to his will?
 

annabenedetti

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No doubt Nixon is looking up thinking “I am no longer the most evil and corrupt POTUS in history” …

So if they look at the calls going in, they can rebuild, at least partially, those missing hours.

Trump Was 100% Making Phone Calls During The Jan. 6 Attack: Here’s The List

As you’ve probably seen by now, White House call logs the National Archives turned over to the House Jan. 6 Committee have a seven-hour gap that don’t include any calls then-President Donald Trump made or received from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. on Jan. 6, according to the Washington Post and CBS News, which obtained the records. That wide gap runs contrary to reports of multiple calls that Trump took as the Capitol insurrection was unfolding — key conversations between Trump and his allies that have helped shape the scope of the Jan. 6 committee’s probe.

Here are the calls Trump made or fielded during that crucial window that we know of so far, according to news reports and/or people involved in the calls:

Mike Pence​

The official records don’t include Trump’s final call with then-Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 6, during which the President made one last attempt to pressure Pence to illegally hijack Congress’ election certification process, according to then-Pence adviser Gen. Keith Kellogg, who testifiedabout the conversation to the House Jan. 6 panel. The Washington Post has also reported on the call, and Bob Woodward and Robert Costa surfaced it in their book “Peril.”

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy​

Trump had an explosive call with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) in the middle of the attack, as confirmed by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-WA), who has said McCarthy briefed her on the call. That was the conversation in which Trump, responding to the GOP leader sounding the alarm of the violence unfolding in the Capitol, infamously remarked, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” according to Beutler.

Sens. Mike Lee/Tommy Tuberville​

Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) told the Salt Lake Tribune that he got a call from Trump “moments after” the Capitol Police halted the Senate proceedings as the mob breached the building. The caller ID “indicated that the call was coming from the White House,” Lee said, but he didn’t know it was Trump until he picked up. According to Lee, the then-president had apparently misdialed and meant to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), so Lee handed his phone over to the Alabama senator.

In wake of the attack, Tuberville revealed that he told Trump in that call amid the chaos that Pence was being evacuated.

Rep. Jim Jordan​

The official call logs include one 10-minute call between Trump and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) starting at 9:24 a.m. on Jan. 6. However, Jordan himself has admitted he had more than one call with Trump that day, and that at least one took place during the attack.

Rep. Matt Gaetz​

Politico reported that Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) participated in one of Jordan’s calls to Trump, during which they urged the President to call off his supporters as they were storming the building. Jordan told Politico that he’d “have to think about it” when asked to confirm if Gaetz was present. Gaetz himself has refused to say if he was part of the call.
 

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I'm also glad I replaced "neither" with "not" before you replied! What a ghastly situation we'd have been in otherwise!



Your drama nothwithstanding: It isn't partisan to expect SC justices to recuse themselves from cases whenever their impartiality might reasonably be questioned. Federal law requires exactly that of federal judges. The SC should be no different.
There are three justices right now whose judicial philosophy is fundamentally in conflict with the founders' moral theory, utilitarian legal positivism. Their impartiality isn't just "questioned" it is positively gone. Their existence on the Court is repugnant to the Constitution.

You don't hear me saying that they are corrupt and should recuse themselves from all cases due to this defect in their thought and should be impeached, even if that's what I would prefer.

Justice Thomas is not corrupt, he doesn't need to recuse himself, and he is actually impartial.
 
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